Author Topic: Is there something that would happen in a Dresden book that will make you quit?  (Read 462 times)

Offline Cats_are_evil

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Let me give you some back ground to this question. I have a very eclectic taste in books. In no particular order my top five is Watership down, K is for killer, Pride and prejudice, 1984 and one for the money. For the longest time Butcher and Evanovich were my top authors. Until her last book. I was so mad at her choice of husband ( straight married white guy that likes rom coms here ) that I may never read another of her books EVER AGAIN. Which got me to thinking. What would have to happen for mus to not read another Butcher book? Thoughts?

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   Hey we share a couple of favorites, "Pride and Prejudice" and "1984" so you are not alone in that.  As an adult I got hooked on the "Harry Potter" series, in fact there were aspects of "The Prisoner of Azkaban" that helped me to cope with the suicide of my son.  Having said that after Harry P. hooked up with Ginny W. I couldn't handle the series anymore at all, and have not revisited it since.

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At this point for me its unlikely that i would drop it due to suck cost fallacy. I finished Smallville for crying out loud. Unless the writing gets so bad like cw flash later seasons bad then im out but fingers crossed it doesn't get to that point.

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I can't imagine the Dresden Files getting that bad except if Jim started hiring a bad ghost writer or loose interest in finishing and just sloppily published boring books from now on, just because his contract said that he needed to write at least 3 books more for example.

I finished the third FitzChivalry trilogy despite of that it felt like the author lost interest. The first one felt promising and I was disappointed at the last two. But I still finished them.


If I don't like a book, I just stop reading. I don't like books that are boring in my opinion, when I can't somehow relate to the characters, when the storyline doesn't interest me, when there are too many inconsistencies, when the characters act like arseholes (again in my opinion), when there is no character development.

If I don't like the characters but the story is good and intersting I read on.
If the story is boring but it has good and interesting characters, I read on.

Sometimes (but very rarely) I don't like the writing style. Either because of word choice or sentence structure, because the author looses themself in some topic in unnecessary detail I am not very interested in, or because the author constantly uses confusing descriptions that prevent me from understanding what they mean.

The latter happened to me twice. I had to stop reading because even after being halfway through the book, I had just a very vague idea about what was even happening. And even this felt just very weird and illogical to me.


So, if Jim suddenly started to write in a confusing way so that I could no longer understand what he is writing about, I think this would cause me to stop reading.

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  I will finish the book, even if I don't like it, however if it is part of a series?  I won't go any further.



 There are a lot of things I haven't been thrilled about with the series since Changes, but so far I haven't been alienated to the point where I would stop reading it.
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I actually liked the match up of Ginny and Harry... My thing is I really grew not to like Murphy. Way to sanctimonious. One of my least favorite character traits in a fictional character. I'm personally rooting for Molly but would settle for Lara. Hate to say now that I'm typing this but somehow in the mirror universe book Murphy comes back..... it would try my patience.

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... Hate to say now that I'm typing this but somehow in the mirror universe book Murphy comes back..... it would try my patience.

100% expecting both Murphy and Susan to come back.
Maximum Harry-torment, you see -- tormenting Harry is the foundation of Jim's career, after all

Susan's going to be a fully-turned whampire, I think (or else a black-hat partner to Evil!Harry (or both?)).
Murphy will see Evil!Harry as fully-onboard with TeamEvil(tm)... and thus have zero trust for Harry!Prime.
Maximum Harry-torment, you see.

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100% expecting both Murphy and Susan to come back.
Maximum Harry-torment, you see -- tormenting Harry is the foundation of Jim's career, after all

THAT! Would end it for me right then and there!

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THAT! Would end it for me right then and there!

Yeah I don't think I could see them coming back.  The only way I see Murphy coming back is if Harry somehow hires Goodman Grey in the upcoming Time Travel book somehow to take her out of the city the night she dies.  Then takes her form to trick the other Harry from that night to believe he is her.  Even that might be too much of an "easy" fix... So we probably won't see it.

I've always felt that Lara had a crush on him since she met him...

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I actually liked the match up of Ginny and Harry... My thing is I really grew not to like Murphy. Way to sanctimonious. One of my least favorite character traits in a fictional character. I'm personally rooting for Molly but would settle for Lara. Hate to say now that I'm typing this but somehow in the mirror universe book Murphy comes back..... it would try my patience.

That's a matter of taste isn't it, I mean something might make you stop reading the Dresden Files, would be the very thing that would make me continue.. It isn't about bad writing, it is about what the individual is happy reading.

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THAT! Would end it for me right then and there!

Not for me, not in itself.  That is, as long as alter-Murphy and alter-vampire-Susan are appropriately different from our universe's verisions of them.  Different live experiences would cause them to be different people.  Obviously in the case of vampire-Susan, but alter-Karrin would not reasonably be our universe's Karrin, either.

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Not for me, not in itself.  That is, as long as alter-Murphy and alter-vampire-Susan are appropriately different from our universe's verisions of them.  Different live experiences would cause them to be different people.  Obviously in the case of vampire-Susan, but alter-Karrin would not reasonably be our universe's Karrin, either.

I could handle it if it ended with the end of Mirrormirror, maybe.. But then again if Harry is to grow as a character he has to be able to move on..  Susan returning as a full vampire would just mire him in more guilt.. Been there done that, we don't need," she is a vampire, and it's all my fault" crap part two.  Maybe in the alternate universe Susan is just a reporter who isn't interested in Harry and little Maggie is never born?  Maybe Murphy in the alternate universe remains a cop and the cop we knew in "Fool Moon" and "Storm Front,"  only less open minded?

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Or in the alternative universe she is a full vampire and Harry has grown enough to recognize that he actually saved her soul and move on.

I agree that meeting Susan and not having grown as a character would be boring, but there are also lots of other options.

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Or in the alternative universe she is a full vampire and Harry has grown enough to recognize that he actually saved her soul and move on.

I agree that meeting Susan and not having grown as a character would be boring, but there are also lots of other options.

But once she was a full vampire, does she still have a soul?  She is no longer human, that aspect of her, i.e. her soul moved on when she killed and became full vampire...

No, both Susan and Murphy are now dead, give Harry his time to mourn and feel guilty and let's moved on.  There are plenty of dangling plot lines that haven't been resolved that could be addressed.  While perhaps they couldn't be resolved in the alternative plot line, they can teach Harry a lesson. 
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No, both Susan and Murphy are now dead, give Harry his time to mourn and feel guilty and let's moved on.  There are plenty of dangling plot lines that haven't been resolved that could be addressed.  While perhaps they couldn't be resolved in the alternative plot line, they can teach Harry a lesson.
I expect so see both nods to the ST:TOS "Mirror Mirror" episode, and the old Jimmy Stewart "It's a Wonderful Life" movie:  Harry will get to see some of the upsides of him having been stubbornly a "Good Guy," by was of how much darker Mirror!Harry's Chicago is.

Murphy, in particular -- stuck in SI getting Black Cat cases, but without a reliable ally/guide in Harry Dresden.  Mirror!Murphy will know Mirror!Harry as one of the Bad Guys. 

She'll be a harder, colder, less-trusting Murphy.  One with less hope.  Fighting against the encroaching darkness without any of the info she got from Harry.

A very, very different person... named Karrin Murphy.