Power Ranking. Top 50.

[Con]

Rules are:
1.Characters that have to have appeared or directly mentions in the series. So no Zeus or Kratos.
2. Yes. It's based on Combat so just forestalling the inevitable argument that that isn't the only measure of power.
3. Feel free to add, subtract or switch ranks. If enough people agree with your amendment I'll amend the Original Post, but will make note of such edits so people know what has changed.


1. Uriel (Archangel destroy galaxies. Limited by Free Will and Response)
2. Mothers (Measure above the Queens)
3. Ethniu (Able to compel Ferrovax and Vaddeung. Defeat Mab with the Eye)
4. Hades (God. Olympian which could take down the Titans, but still their progeny so think demi-god to god to Titan)
5. Ferrovax (Can Crack reality. Still Vadderungs a threat.)
6. Mab/Titania (Fae Queen)
7. Vadderung/Kringle (God but gave up his immortality to have Free Will and directly act in the world. WOJ confirms Soul Fire. Still could probably take Queens and Ferrovax. Or atleast it's close enough for everyone to play little games of protocol so they don't have to duel)
8. Drakul (Scary Star Born)
9. Erlking (Wild Hunt Kringle and Eldest equal has his own Dukedom.)
10. Red King (Erlking seemed confident he could hunt the Red Court)
11. Eldest Gruff (Likes dueling Senior Council and winning, bitch slapped a Denarian. Equal of Erlking and Kringle)
12. Leansidhe ( Often referred to as Mab's second. I put her above the Ladis simply because she's outlived half a dozen of them. I put her at Eldest Gurff contemporary)
13. Lords of Outer Night. (Will. Outsider backing, but Lea could take atleast one.)
14. Ladies. (Honestly their biggest weakness is their arrogance, but Dresden's defeated and killed several times)
15. Naagloshii (Powerful but can be driven off)
16. Ivy. (The Archive. All of human memory, but doesn't have innate magic based on her life span)
17. Rivers in his Shoulders/ Genowska (Forest People. Measurement of Senior Council for the Forest People. I think Blackstaff, Gatekeeper, The Merlin Might win but it'd be equivalent of Harry beating them so.)
18. Kemmler (Big Bad Necromancer)
19.Ebenezar (Blackstaff)
20. Rashid (Gatekeeper)
21. Langtry (The Merlin)
22. Harry (Winter Knight. The 3 above are the only Wizards who could take him handsdown and even then it'd be close.)
23. Sir Marcone/Namshiel (Denarian Magical expert riding shotgun)
24. Knights of the Cross (In order: Shiro, Michael, Sanya, Butters. They cancel out the Denarians assuming they have allies. Butters could be great with some time, experience and training)
25. Mouse (His abilities are Knight level depending on his home base)
25. Nicodemus (Skilled, Strong, Immortal likes killing champions but has been run off by Harry and the Knights his every appearance)
26. Simon Pietrovich (Vamp expert. Brute Squad leader. Cowl)
27. Duchess Ortega (Harry kicked her ass. Just putting her below the Vamp Expert, but above Polonius.)
28. Listens to Wind (Shaman Shapeshifter who can run off a Naagloshi)
29. Ursiel (Powerful but stupid. LtW could take him on in a shape shifter fight)
30. Polonius Latessa (Powerful, but clearly a Sorceror. Senior Council level but still)
31. Diedre (Her Physical abilities are impressive, but not as much as those above)
32. Martha Liberty (Senior Council. Loa spirit expert.)
33. Ancient Mai (Scary Senior Senior Council, but her expertise isn't combat oriented.)
34. Klaus the Toymaker (Next in line for Senior Council sans politics. Personal theory yet another mask of Vadderung/Kringle but till that's confirmed he's the youngest of the Senior wizards)
35. Donald Morgan (A measure between Harry and Ebenezar for most of the series. Survived Kemmler. A few Red Dukes. An ass but a badass)
36.Denarians (Short lived that go through their hosts.)
37.Carlos Ramirez (Young but officer of the Wardens. War vet. Survived Kemmler's heirs and the duel of Raith deeps and the Battle of the Bean)
38. Fix (Summer Knight. Could take most Fae, but Harry took him easily)
39. Lasciel/Hannah Ascher (If anything easier than he did Fix)
40. Elder Fae. (Cat Sith: Fought Nemesis hold, Elder Gruff, Red Cap)
41. Svartalves. (Focus isn't open combat but powerful independent nation)
42. Luccio (Was Captain, has fought of various Kemmler level sorcerors over a few centuries)
43. Black Court Elders (Based on Drakuls Crew)
44. Wardens (Chandler, Bill, Yoshimo. Capable fighters, not as good as they think they are)
45. Kemmlers Heirs' (Necro Bob, Corpestaker, Grevane, Wild West guy. Sorcerors.)
46. Monoc Securities (I feel like Gard could confidently take most Wardens. Healing abilities of trauma.)
47. Regular Red Court (Strong but obvious weaknesses)
48. White Court (Capable fighters with enhanced abilities. Don't have Monoc's healing.)
49. Ghouls (Strong henchmen muscles)
50. Alpha's (Minor talent one trick ponies. Rare for a 1 on 1.)


So some outliers that would take us above top 50.

Lord Raith. For most of history I'd have put him Blackstaff level. Kill with a touch protected by an outsider and command of the White Court, but now he's a weak puppet. Lara's bitch.
Kincaid. Until we see what his Hell Hound abilities are he's just a very effective soldier slightly above Murphy.
Alpha's. Minor talent one trick pony. Effective fighters, but only to a point.

Let me know if you agree disagree, and if so with whom and where you'd put them?

If people have a conensus on whose where I'll change it with the edits noted.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

No1 is The White God, Uriel’s boss. No 2 is the Archangel Michael, Uriel is the spy, Michael is the soldier. Michael is mentioned by Sanya in relation to him dropping a coin and picking up a sword. No 3 is Lucifer the Fallen Archangel and Nicky’s ultimate boss, cast down by Michael. No 4 is Uriel. No 5 is likely the Titan Balor and his Eye, more powerful than Ethnui.

The problem though is that everyone is as strong as Jim needs them to be in any given circumstance which makes this a somewhat theoretical exercise and subjective as different people have different interpretations of the characters. There is at least one member of this forum who would place Mister at No1. There is also changes in power level across books, your Number 50 ignores the fact that the Alphas subsequently developed the capacity for accelerated healing, so they are neither one trick or nor ponies.

[Ed0517]

I'd flip Lucifer and Michael. Michael did have an army at his back when they ran L out.

Note for an asterisk - HUGE power but limited latitude - that Angel of Death said Lucifer couldn't stop her on a mission.

Not sure Hades under Ethniu. The Greek gods overthrew the Titans - Hades is Zeus' brother. they cast lots for their realms with Poseidon, so no one was SO far above the others he got to choose. So he's close to Zeus level.

Ivy is above the Ladies. I think Harry says as much to Luccio. She is closer to  Queen level, maybe slightly short. Maybe even beats Lea and Eldest Gruff.

Naag is too high. LtW was beating it. He could have lost later, but he WAS winning.  I think Eb and Rashid beat it, and Langtry at least stalemates him.

I just have a hunch the Gatekeeper has a few tricks up his robe. I think he might beat even Eb. 

Marcone and Harry are too high, at least yet. Senior Council beats. Harry lost to the Naag that LtW was beating.



Knights are too high.

Mouse is way low. He threatened LEA one on one, and she said he was too far from his power. So.. in range of power, she thinks he wins? He does not seem the kind for idle threats - he thinks he hands her ass to her. Uriel also noted him. He scares Nic.

Latessa takes Dumb Muscle Ursiel. Dierdre is good hand to hand, but she's not taking ANY SC. Martha and Mai has to be higher.

I don't know if Klaus is combat oriented, or device oriented. He also might be senior to a few SC. Didn't they pass him to get to Eb? I just don't think he wants to deal with the politics.

Cat Sith has to be higher. Carlos is kitty litter if they fight. The question is if he can take the Knight. He thinks he can. He may be right. 

Some groups are too broad - Heirs? Corpsetaker beat Luccio, and I think she would have taken Harry or Morgan.  Doesn't mean all the heirs are that good.

Black Court? Mavra is nasty. Take her over Morgan, Luccio, and Carlos. Maybe Winter Knight Harry beats her, but not the previous one. Again, the others may be less.


Luccio I think in the old body was better than Morgan or Harry - not as much raw power, but skill, with that fire laser.

You left out the likes of Mort, who some rate as above Harry, Tera West - certainly above the Alphas, and the Angels in that Limbo waystation - one shut Harry's Sight with a casual gesture. That showed a good amount of juice. Sounds top 10,15 at worst.  Cowl is a heavy hitter missing. Likely above Eb? Or maybe not missing. HWWB is top 10 at worst, maybe top 5. Below Mothers, probably below titan.


 

[g33k]

... Knights are too high ...

Knights can vary, a *lot.*  But I think they punch WAY above their weight class.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Knights can vary, a *lot.*  But I think they punch WAY above their weight class.

As pointed out they are exactly as powerful as they need to be in any given circumstance. Michael disincorporated a Dragon, because he needed to.

[Tinfoil hat]

Great list but Merlin is the strongest wizard, rashid the most dangerous and Eb the guy you don't mess with. Not sure how to link a woj the supports this. If anyone has the link.
Lea is probably above eldest gruff but just slightly

[Ed0517]

Great list but Merlin is the strongest wizard, rashid the most dangerous and Eb the guy you don't mess with. Not sure how to link a woj the supports this. If anyone has the link.
Lea is probably above eldest gruff but just slightly

OP did say combat. Eb is better than Langtry at combat. Don't think he has the mind talking and maybe not as good at wards/force fields. Eb was impressed at Harry's. 

Rashid... I think he might have a few cards up his sleeve. I'm not so sure he is not the most powerful. He tells Harry he was ready to kill him like it was going to be easy

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Eb’s a combat specialist, Langtry a defensive specialist so it would be a dead heat, both would die from heatstroke simultaneously from their exertions in a face off.

[Avernite]

Eb’s a combat specialist, Langtry a defensive specialist so it would be a dead heat, both would die from heatstroke simultaneously from their exertions in a face off.

Duelling also kills Langtry's greatest strength, organizing. His mindtalking AND quick thinking saved a whole bunch of wizards.

[Ed0517]

Eb’s a combat specialist, Langtry a defensive specialist so it would be a dead heat, both would die from heatstroke simultaneously from their exertions in a face off.

We don't know if his defense is as good as Eb's offense. Langtry might be a generalist, very good at many things, better than Eb at 9 out of 10 - but #10 is duelling/combat. Whoever wins the Olympic decathlon is usually considered the world's greatest athlete. Doesn't mean he can get in the ring with the guy who won the heavyweight boxing title. 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

These two have been rivals for centuries, they have thrown down before, but likely before Eb took up the Blackstaff.

[Ed0517]

These two have been rivals for centuries, they have thrown down before, but likely before Eb took up the Blackstaff.

Perhaps, but if they are obeying the Laws, they won't kill each other with magic - so Eb might have had openings he could not exploit

[g33k]

2. Yes. It's based on Combat so just forestalling the inevitable argument that that isn't the only measure of power.

I think this is where this list -- any such list -- fails.  "Knowledge is power," and the ways that some of these entities gain & use knowledge can be a *huge* combat-multiplier for them.

Harry himself says (repeatedly) that what makes a wizard next-level dangerous is their ability -- with time and info -- to specially-prep for almost any foe.  Punch-for-punch, Harry could likely take almost half the Senior Council, but any of them will wipe the floor with Harry, because they know stuff he doesn't.

Mab is scary, but what makes her terrifying is all the stuff she knows.  Much the same for Odin (Kringle is just a side-gig for him, a convenience that adds little (if anything) to his combat-portfolio... but likely adds immensely to his ancillary knowledge-and-logistics abilities).

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Has no-one mentioned the Unicorns yet, immortal killing machines on a par with the Ladies perhaps.

[Snark Knight]

Missing the Walkers, no?

Hard to place them, given we've only seen them up against a starborn, but I'd figure they're probably right up in the top tier against anything else.