Lawyers and dating Lara Raith

[KurtinStGeorge]

This is just for fun.

When it was revealed in "The Law" that the terms of Harry's dates with Lara had to be legally negotiated in advance, I didn't immediately think that Talvi Inverno would appear in the next novel.  Though in retrospect, I won't be surprised if we see Mr. Winter Winter acting as Winter's lawyer in this matter in Twelve Months.

No, my first thought went back to a cheesy 1980's scifi movie called "Cherry 2000."  Yea, I know that sounds more like the title of a porn movie from that era, but it was a real movie with real actors.  It starred Melanie Griffith and Tim Thomerson.  There was a scene in the movie that predicted that dates in the future would be negotiated with an attorney and be settled with a signed contract.  Here's a link to a scene that takes place in a hookup bar with Laurence Fishburne; about twelve years before he was in The Matrix, acting as the club attorney helping to arrange a one date contract. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urS8GmwmeWQ&ab_channel=JorethInnKeeper

If anyone wants to take this topic seriously, what kind of terms do you think Lara and Mab would want in the contracts and what terms will annoy Harry the most?  I'm guessing Harry will only have about the same amount of power to influence the terms of the dates as he did when Mab loaned him out to Nicodemus to pay off her debt to Anduriel.

[morriswalters]

I have some very active opinions about why Butcher may be chosen this particular plot device.  Nuff said about that.

I'm looking for the Maximillian Valerious to be Harry's personal representative. Mab for Mab(WOJ is that Mab Is licensed to practice law), and some nameless, as yet, mouthpiece for Lara.

Even money on Harry getting a dowry.  The 18 months was a convenient statement about when the money would run out. Maybe more later.

[seanham]

I would love for there to be a time frame for their dates and/or actions. For example, at least 5 minutes of hand-holding or kisses may last no longer than 30 seconds but no less than 5 and Harry is counting the seconds in his head.

[Ed0517]

Mab for Mab(WOJ is that Mab Is licensed to practice law), and some nameless, as yet, mouthpiece for Lara.

...in case there was any doubt about her being Evil.....

Now, can they even touch? Does Harry's Love Aura protect him with Murphy and Susan dead?  Does Lara want to run, lest Harry complete his Ben Cartwright Hat Trick?

Might be opera going, where they could both plausibly wear gloves? Or skiing. If they are publically to be a couple, they will have to touch now and then.  Hmmmm... could Lara use Harry as bait - some ambitious schemer tries to take Lara's man.. not noting she never touches bare skin.. and touching Harry brands them?

[Basil]

I have some very active opinions about why Butcher may be chosen this particular plot device.  Nuff said about that.

I'm looking for the Maximillian Valerious to be Harry's personal representative. Mab for Mab(WOJ is that Mab Is licensed to practice law), and some nameless, as yet, mouthpiece for Lara.

Even money on Harry getting a dowry.  The 18 months was a convenient statement about when the money would run out. Maybe more later.

Yes, I assume that Harry will get a few millions as a Dowry -- it's a convenient plot device to give Harry yet another reason to agree to marry Lara.  He sees all the good stuff his Castle Refugee Center and Daycare is doing and won't want to give it up.  Of course, why it is that the Winter Knight doesn't have accounts just like Mab and Molly and I'm sure lots of of Winter and Summer Royalty do won't be mentioned.  Given compound interest and average stock growth over a few centuries, they all ought to be Billionaires. 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

This is just for fun.

When it was revealed in "The Law" that the terms of Harry's dates with Lara had to be legally negotiated in advance, I didn't immediately think that Talvi Inverno would appear in the next novel.  Though in retrospect, I won't be surprised if we see Mr. Winter Winter acting as Winter's lawyer in this matter in Twelve Months.

No, my first thought went back to a cheesy 1980's scifi movie called "Cherry 2000."  Yea, I know that sounds more like the title of a porn movie from that era, but it was a real movie with real actors.  It starred Melanie Griffith and Tim Thomerson.  There was a scene in the movie that predicted that dates in the future would be negotiated with an attorney and be settled with a signed contract.  Here's a link to a scene that takes place in a hookup bar with Laurence Fishburne; about twelve years before he was in The Matrix, acting as the club attorney helping to arrange a one date contract. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urS8GmwmeWQ&ab_channel=JorethInnKeeper

If anyone wants to take this topic seriously, what kind of terms do you think Lara and Mab would want in the contracts and what terms will annoy Harry the most?  I'm guessing Harry will only have about the same amount of power to influence the terms of the dates as he did when Mab loaned him out to Nicodemus to pay off her debt to Anduriel.

How dare you call Tim Thomerson a real actor, the star of Trancers and Dollman never knowingly acted in his life.

Actually Mab would need to settle upon Harry something to provide for his bride to be and his retainers. Traditionally this would be land, but in the 21st Century control of Pizza S’Press, would be ideal to feed the Guard.

[Mira]

  Rule number one, no snacking before the wedding..

[vincentric]

Yes, I assume that Harry will get a few millions as a Dowry -- it's a convenient plot device to give Harry yet another reason to agree to marry Lara.  He sees all the good stuff his Castle Refugee Center and Daycare is doing and won't want to give it up.  Of course, why it is that the Winter Knight doesn't have accounts just like Mab and Molly and I'm sure lots of of Winter and Summer Royalty do won't be mentioned.  Given compound interest and average stock growth over a few centuries, they all ought to be Billionaires.

Harry didn't ask for an account when he set up his conditions for becoming Winter Knight. He probably still has one but Mab is withholding it to have another lever on him and has forbid her people from telling him about it. It would balance the cheat he tried to pull with his attempted suicide quite nicely.

[g33k]

Harry didn't ask for an account when he set up his conditions for becoming Winter Knight. He probably still has one but Mab is withholding it to have another lever on him and has forbid her people from telling him about it.

I saw it suggested that because he never negotiated it into his WK contract, Mab wouldn't provide it (I vaguely recall there may even be WoJ on the matter).  Mab follows her deals very closely.  Unless there is some aspect of Winter Law involving the "maintenance of vassals" (which seems entirely possible) then I don't expect Harry gets any such thing.

It would balance the cheat he tried to pull with his attempted suicide quite nicely.

  Indeed!

[Mira]

I saw it suggested that because he never negotiated it into his WK contract, Mab wouldn't provide it (I vaguely recall there may even be WoJ on the matter).  Mab follows her deals very closely.  Unless there is some aspect of Winter Law involving the "maintenance of vassals" (which seems entirely possible) then I don't expect Harry gets any such thing.

She does and she doesn't, the Fae are very tricky in that way, that's why you should never bargain with them.  Like Lucy, Mab will pull the football away in the last moment, as Harry discovered once she got his contract from Lea.  He thought he'd do three favors and be free, but it wasn't that simple, it is never that simple with them. 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

I saw it suggested that because he never negotiated it into his WK contract, Mab wouldn't provide it (I vaguely recall there may even be WoJ on the matter).  Mab follows her deals very closely.  Unless there is some aspect of Winter Law involving the "maintenance of vassals" (which seems entirely possible) then I don't expect Harry gets any such thing.
  Indeed!

Yes but she needs to treat her vassals with due respect and and care in accordance with Law and Custom ….so long as they are loyal, and obedient and don’t embarrass her. That’s where Laplander fell down, in publicly damaging the company car she put Nameless in the position of embarrassing Mab, a vassal is responsible for the actions of their vassal (Harry’s vassal is Toot, oh dear).Mab probably would have been happy to execute the pair for that, and It will come back to bite Harry on the ass (especially if Cowl is nameless, which Mab has probably deduced by now from her info and Harry’s memories).

You must remember Mab gave Harry the ring for Maggie at Christmas, she was under no obligation to so. It would have been due recognition that the Winter Knight’s actions as her vassal had reflected well upon Mab that year. I think that it may have been for the incident on the Battlements when all the Sprites went into formation. The other Accords Members reactions pleased her enormously, it burnished Harry’s reputation, and thus Mab’s in the eyes of her peers. Not for anything else that Harry might have done that day, he merely did what was expected of him.

[g33k]

Yes but she needs to treat her vassals with due respect and and care in accordance with Law and Custom …

Law, yes.
Not too sure about "Custom."  Maybe rephrased as "that's just how faeries are..."

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Actually no, The Law applies to Winter, but custom, such as guest right has application across the entire supernatural world. When Harry broke guest right in Grave Peril it caused a war, and he had to work damn hard in Peace Talks to to avoid doing exactly the same thing again.

Vassallage is recognised by custom across the supernatural world, Marcone recognised Tripper as his Vassal albeit reluctantly, Trippers attack on Winter (the company car) mean’t Marcone was responsible in the eyes of the supernatural world. By custom he was responsible, if he ignored it it would have entailed a severe loss of face and made things difficult for his vassals in their relations with the supernatural.

Custom plugs into the Accords, in parts no doubt codified. Same with the Code Duello, custom was eventually codified.

We see it in certain areas of modern law, for example “trade practices” is a term used in legislation, but the practices vary from trade to trade, due to custom and norms built up in those trades.

[Basil]

Harry didn't ask for an account when he set up his conditions for becoming Winter Knight. He probably still has one but Mab is withholding it to have another lever on him and has forbid her people from telling him about it. It would balance the cheat he tried to pull with his attempted suicide quite nicely.

Ah, excellent point.  He could have asked for access to the accounts and she would have complied.  Since he was too stupid to ask for them, she wouldn't just volunteer.  Nothing is given in Winter (excepting Christmas).

[Mira]

Ah, excellent point.  He could have asked for access to the accounts and she would have complied.  Since he was too stupid to ask for them, she wouldn't just volunteer.  Nothing is given in Winter (excepting Christmas).

Well, first of all I wouldn't call Harry stupid in this case.  Lets not forget the circumstances under which he became Winter Knight.  He was paralyzed and his daughter was about to be sacrificed and he and his family about to die with her.  It was the best bad choice in a whole list of bad choices. He really didn't have time to consider the fine print at that point.