How the hell did Blood on his Soul survive being mulched to a pulp

[Ed0517]

Force ghosts, Jar Jar Binks went to hell (a completely different universe by the way)

I thought that was where he was FROM....

[vincentric]

I don't see why Murphy gets to lead. I don't think she was really a knight, she picked up a sword. I mean, Sanya got his from an Archangel. Michael may have. I expect Uriel likely swore Butters in after he spooked out Nicodemus. Murphy said she didn't want it.

Being a Knight is not usually a long term job. Murphy was truly a Knight during Changes but afterwards was just a keeper of the Swords.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

For most Knights it is a day or to, the right person in the right place at the right time, long term knights are rarer.

[Mira]

Being a Knight is not usually a long term job. Murphy was truly a Knight during Changes but afterwards was just a keeper of the Swords.

She wasn't even a Custodian of the Swords, she appointed herself that after Harry "died."  That was part of the problem, since she wasn't official, she had no insight as to when they should be used or who should get one to be a Knight.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

A Knight rises when needed, Butters for example. Murphy was the only case of Harry giving out a sword, and it was the correct choice.

[Arjan]

She wasn't even a Custodian of the Swords, she appointed herself that after Harry "died."  That was part of the problem, since she wasn't official, she had no insight as to when they should be used or who should get one to be a Knight.

Harry told her we’re the swords were and she handled his testament and so on. That is appointment from Harry and good enough for me.

She got the responsibility from Harry and acted upon it.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Not Harry’s responsibility to delegate.

[Arjan]

Not Harry’s responsibility to delegate.

Was that written down somewhere?

Actually there are not that many rules. People are supposed to use their free will.

[Mira]

Not Harry’s responsibility to delegate.

Actually it was, Shrio says it as he was dying and gave Harry the Sword to care for and pass on to the next Knight.  Harry asks him how would he know? Shrio answers,"you will know."  Harry knew in Changes, there was no hesitation to give out Swords to Murphy and Susan. 

[forumghost]

Yeah, Harry entrusting Murphy with taking care of his estate (and thus the swords) is fine.

Her deciding to emotionally blackmail him into letting her keep them after he'd come back from the dead, despite him not even asking for them back was a bit of a dick move though.

[Mira]

Yeah, Harry entrusting Murphy with taking care of his estate (and thus the swords) is fine.

Her deciding to emotionally blackmail him into letting her keep them after he'd come back from the dead, despite him not even asking for them back was a bit of a dick move though.

Yeah, because she knew better but didn't want to admit it.  And actually you cannot say that the Swords were part of Harry's estate, they were never his to begin with.

The dick move was to give Harry the lecture about how the Swords shouldn't be misused implying that she knows better than he does.  And then what does she do?  Misuses one and gets it broken..

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Harry had already made that mistake in Grave Peril but recovered the situation, but Murphy wasn’t around for that.

[Arjan]

Just giving the swords to Harry in cold days would have been irresponsible. Harry was not stable at the time and could not handle his mantle yet. Harry had told his friends that Mab’s deal would turn him into a monster and they had all reason to expect a monster. Harry had to prove himself again and if you look from the outside at Harry there were some disturbing signs. Murphy was responsible for her own actions and she had to make the choice,

[forumghost]

Oh absolutely it would have been irresponsible. But like I said, Harry never even asked for them back. Karrin is the one that brings them up -pretty much at random- in order to go "Fuck you Harry, these are too important to entrust to you and I'm keeping them".

And then when he does bring up the swords (when he suggests bringing one to Demonreach) she responds with "Yo Harry, remember the time you got your best friend crippled for life".

Like, Murphy was just insanely antagonistic about the Swords in Cold Days, because she's too proud to admit that she just doesn't want to use the damn things.

But this is getting pretty off topic so I suggest we stop here.

[morriswalters]

Had Harry not hired his own assassin the point would have been moot. She wouldn't have had them.  Had Harry not gone on constantly in the books up to Changes about being turned in to the evil thrall of the nasty Queen Mab just maybe she might have been more forthcoming. But you know Butcher. /shrug/