Harry should have trusted Ramirez

[g33k]

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The Bad Guys are trying to bring down the White Council. They get their claws in Peabody and his inks.  But it is not working, at least not fast enough.  Peabody does use his ink effectively in one area - he infiltrates the Wardens... 

au contraire.
Peabody and his inks are their claws.

And they are very effective indeed -- they kept the WC neutered for years.

They kept old-guard/reactionary Morgan on Harry's case for a decade or so, ensuring nobody else (who might be able to teach him about the Starborn biz, or orient him to some of the political & supernatural currents swirling about him) would touch him with a 10' pole.

They kept the Merlin & his faction playing "ultra-conservative & risk-averse," and bickering with the Blackstaff & others who argued for a more-activist Rampire campaign; remember, Maggie LaFey's death-curse is part of why the Whamps were so ineffective... Peabody did the same to the White Council.

Pretty good payback from 1 embedded agent ...

[forumghost]

au contraire.
Peabody and his inks are their claws.

And they are very effective indeed -- they kept the WC neutered for years.

They kept old-guard/reactionary Morgan on Harry's case for a decade or so, ensuring nobody else (who might be able to teach him about the Starborn biz, or orient him to some of the political & supernatural currents swirling about him) would touch him with a 10' pole.

They kept the Merlin & his faction playing "ultra-conservative & risk-averse," and bickering with the Blackstaff & others who argued for a more-activist Rampire campaign; remember, Maggie LaFey's death-curse is part of why the Whamps were so ineffective... Peabody did the same to the White Council.

Pretty good payback from 1 embedded agent ...

I'm pretty sure that what he's implying is that, to a suspicious mind with incomplete information, Harry could just as easily be taken as a Black Council member himself.

Who is the one Warden that isn't influenced by Peabody? Dresden. Who was Luccio brainwashed into starting a relationship with? Dresden. Where does the "Traitor" Morgan go for help when he's caught for killing LaFortier? Dresden. etc, etc.

Rashid even points this out when he confronts Harry at Demonreach in Turn Coat.

[Ed0517]

I'm pretty sure that what he's implying is that, to a suspicious mind with incomplete information, Harry could just as easily be taken as a Black Council member himself.

Who is the one Warden that isn't influenced by Peabody? Dresden. Who was Luccio brainwashed into starting a relationship with? Dresden. Where does the "Traitor" Morgan go for help when he's caught for killing LaFortier? Dresden. etc, etc.

Rashid even points this out when he confronts Harry at Demonreach in Turn Coat.

I'm saying it can be spun that Harry IS another Black Council agent. On the surface facts can be cited that can support that, or at least not contradict it.

[KaryuEco]

Harry is suspicious as hell in Peace Talks. He’s lying to everyone, and not very well. Carlos had every right to be suspicious, because Harry was acting suspicious, and Carlos still came to him as a friend first. Carlos even voted to keep Harry on the White Council, despite the fact that Harry was being incredibly suspicious.

People put a lot of emphasis on Harry being friends with the Knights Of The Cross, but 99% of the White Council doesn’t know Michael Carpenter. Carlos can think Michael is a good guy but that doesn’t mean Harry isn’t lying and keeping secrets. Hell Carlos thinks Harry is a good guy, as evidenced by everything he’s done up to and including Peace Talks, and the fist bump after the cemetery in Battle Ground. But Harry keeps lying to Carlos and isolating himself, until he stops looking shady and starts looking guilty. And even then, Carlos comes to tell Harry that he’s been kicked off the White Council for breaking the first law of magic and killing human servitors. That’s not even Carlos breaking Harry’s trust, that’s Harry breaking the first law of magic - a death sentence - and then being excommunicated for it. Harry burned the Carlos friendship bridge as often as he could in PT and yeah, he damn sure should’ve trusted Carlos. Or at least been less shady.

[Mira]

Harry is suspicious as hell in Peace Talks. He’s lying to everyone, and not very well. Carlos had every right to be suspicious, because Harry was acting suspicious, and Carlos still came to him as a friend first. Carlos even voted to keep Harry on the White Council, despite the fact that Harry was being incredibly suspicious.

People put a lot of emphasis on Harry being friends with the Knights Of The Cross, but 99% of the White Council doesn’t know Michael Carpenter. Carlos can think Michael is a good guy but that doesn’t mean Harry isn’t lying and keeping secrets. Hell Carlos thinks Harry is a good guy, as evidenced by everything he’s done up to and including Peace Talks, and the fist bump after the cemetery in Battle Ground. But Harry keeps lying to Carlos and isolating himself, until he stops looking shady and starts looking guilty. And even then, Carlos comes to tell Harry that he’s been kicked off the White Council for breaking the first law of magic and killing human servitors. That’s not even Carlos breaking Harry’s trust, that’s Harry breaking the first law of magic - a death sentence - and then being excommunicated for it. Harry burned the Carlos friendship bridge as often as he could in PT and yeah, he damn sure should’ve trusted Carlos. Or at least been less shady.

First of all, 99% of the Council do know who the Holy Knights are.. You will remember at the end of Proven Guilty at the end of Molly's trial when Michael comes in with the missing Senior Council members that he had just help save in a skirmish with the Red Court.  Second of all the Fomor "human" servitors, were no longer human.  The Council had to alter their pronouncement of the death penalty for breaking the First Law, because if any of them were at the battle, they broke it too..  Maybe Harry should have not heeded Chandler's warning that they weren't there as friends.
Maybe if Ramirez had come to him alone instead of in force, stated how it looked then asked him to talk with him.. Harry might have done that, but that isn't how it came down.. Also no way is Harry responsible for what happened with the Black Court.. Oh, and Harry managed to put Ethinu away, and attempted to smooth things between the natural and the supernatural worlds at the Accords meeting, where was the White Council?