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Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2022, 08:13:49 PM »
You can actually read an excerpt of the story here: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/611814/heroic-hearts-by-edited-by-jim-butcher-and-kerrie-l-hughes/#

Yeah, it is in Skin Game that they talk about how Mister is getting old. Harry is aware of it, at least.

“I’m . . . sort of settled now. And there’s nothing on the island big enough to take him. But it’s cold out there in the winter, and he’s getting older.”
“We’re all getting older,” Karrin said.”
Skin Game, Ch 5.

About Maggie, at the time of the Christmas Story she would have just turned 11. I dunno if it's just my experience, but I haven't met an 11 year old who would still get all starry eyed at Santa Claus. The thing with Maggie always takes me out of the story, she acts, talks, is talked about and treated like a 5-6 year old, which is weird. However at the same time she's supposed to be super smart *shrug*. Her portrayal is inconsistent. I hope that improves as we get to see more of her. I wasn't a fan of her addition to the story, but since she's here already, I hope she becomes more of a character than just a plot device.

 Thank you, I believe there is a reference in Cold Days also, have to go back and read. 
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As to Maggie, I have written about it and totally agree with your assessment.  However we also do not know the full extent of the damage of seeing her foster family brutally murdered, then nearly getting her throat cut or heart cut out by the Red King, then seeing her mother turn into a monster, then getting her throat cut by her father did to her brain.  Remaining emotionally a six year old might be her brain's only way of protecting her sanity.  Hell, I'd remain a six year old and cling to Santa Claus as long as I could too.
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Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2022, 10:04:59 PM »
... About Maggie, at the time of the Christmas Story she would have just turned 11. I dunno if it's just my experience, but I haven't met an 11 year old who would still get all starry eyed at Santa Claus. The thing with Maggie always takes me out of the story, she acts, talks, is talked about and treated like a 5-6 year old, which is weird. However at the same time she's supposed to be super smart *shrug*.

To my eye, it reads like little Maggie is somewhere on the autism spectrum, or something similar; Aspergers-y.

Such people can be incredibly intelligent, but with a terrible "feel" for other people, grasp of social mores, and ability to handle same.  They often come across as emotionally-immature.

As for "Santa Claus?"  She already knows that Vampires and other monsters are real, and wizards, and faeries.  She may or may not have actually known there was a real Kringle; but once she does, of course she'd be star-struck!  Hell, I don't believe in Santa... but if I were proven wrong then I'd be star-struck too!  ;-)

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Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2022, 12:14:28 AM »
Hmm read the excerpt I WANT MORE!!!! Why give us the slice when we want the whole pizza. The story is short, only 20 pages and the preview gives us the first three pages

This looks to be set a couple of weeks after the end of Battle Ground, Harry  still has his arm cast. He has refugees living in the Castle.

Toot refers to himself as a Sprite which is new. From Wikipedia.

“A sprite is a supernatural entity in European mythology. They are often depicted as fairy-like creatures or as an ethereal entity.

The word sprite is derived from the Latin spiritus ("spirit"), via the French esprit. Variations on the term include spright and the Celtic spriggan. The term is chiefly used with regard to elves and fairies in European folklore, and in modern English is rarely used in reference to spirits.”

This explains the adoption of the Latin surname Minimus, it is consistent with Spiritus.

Toot is not native to North America! I wonder is we are in for an elaborate pun on esprit de corps given the issue as regards morale among a body of Sprites ?

Toot was two and a half feet tall in Battle Ground, that was not ankle high even on Harry.

Harry appears to be giving into depression. That’s consistent with what we know about Next Book. No sign of the Gargoyles at this point, could this presage them?

Toot is referring to Mister as an old Tomcat, as above a reference to his age - he would be 17 at this  point and Toot has known Harry pre Storm Front so he has known Mister something like 15 plus years.

Oh and Maggie belief in Santa Claus? At age 11?  Really? Her Foster Sister is Elsa and her father is Gandalf. Of course she believes in Santa Claus, she may have thought Eb was him though.
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Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2022, 10:49:19 AM »
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Harry appears to be giving into depression. That’s consistent with what we know about Next Book. No sign of the Gargoyles at this point, could this presage them?

I disagree, he isn't giving in to his depression like he did at the beginning of Summer Knight. What he is going through is normal grief, which is complicated by physical injury, stress, and exhaustion.  He also appears to be a lot more injured than he did at the end of Battle Ground, or his injuries turned out to be a lot more serious than first appeared.  That also isn't unusual given the situation, stuff turns up after the fact.  As to Harry's depression, he went into a clinical depression after Susan was half turned, left him, and he couldn't find a cure for her.  He could be flirting with that now, but at that time it was just him.  That is no longer the case, he is attempting not to fall completely into it by meditating. Oh and add PTSD into that mix as well, just witnessing Murphy's murder is bad enough, Harry has seen/suffered/done, a whole lot more than just that.  He knows now he has a family to take care of and a lot other pressing matters.  Wonder if Butters is or will attempt to give him some medication to help with that?  Or do those kinds of drugs mix with his wizard biochemistry? I see Harry turning a lot more to Michael for "bull" sessions now, he desperately needs his common sense, faith, and sanity. 

As to Mister, he is the same age as my cat, and sadly Gabby is beginning to show her age. Yeah, Toot is taller than Harry's ankle, but his English still isn't that great, what he might have meant is he protects at his ankles not that he is as tall as his ankle.. Also just because Toot has physically grown, it doesn't mean that his soldiers have.  Toot also only understands things from a sprite's perspective, not the human one.
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Harry appears to be giving into depression. That’s consistent with what we know about Next Book. No sign of the Gargoyles at this point, could this presage them?
Going back to what I said before, I disagree.  Feeling that kind of grief/depression just weeks after losing Murphy is normal.  Actually if Harry didn't feel that way it would be a danger sign that he was in total denial, that could be worse for everyone.  The fact that he is trying to meditate says he is trying to deal with all the emotions that he is feeling..  One of the stages of grief is anger, that is something that while Harry may justifiably feel it, given his power, he cannot give into it, and he is well aware of it.

Oh one more thing the kitchen seems to contain a lot of stainless steel.. Toot doesn't like it, yeah it is more sanitary than other materials, but I also wonder if Harry ordered it to keep the little guys from going in on their own and stealing pizza?
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Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2022, 04:29:01 PM »
The kitchen fitting are left from Marcone, he knows Harry is the Winter Knight and may have left them deliberately, knowing that Harry would be affected to some degree. The walk in stainless steel fridge makes a lovely Fae trap. It would hamper even Mab.

If so I wonder how long Marcone mused on the regret that the toilets weren’t made from the Bane? There is no proof of this so I have nothing to go on. Unlike Harry.

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« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2022, 05:37:02 PM »
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The kitchen fitting are left from Marcone, he knows Harry is the Winter Knight and may have left them deliberately, knowing that Harry would be affected to some degree. The walk in stainless steel fridge makes a lovely Fae trap. It would hamper even Mab.

If so I wonder how long Marcone mused on the regret that the toilets weren’t made from the Bane? There is no proof of this so I have nothing to go on. Unlike Harry.

Are we really sure of that though?  Nothing said about it in the books, and even if it was, it appears that Harry isn't having it changed to accommodate his pizza loving army.  In the over all expenses of the castle remodel job, switching out the fridge, freezer, sink and counter for another material, isn't that much, Harry doesn't need a huge kitchen.  Apparently since there is frozen pizza, Harry has figured out a way to live with a modern freezer.. Because an ice box isn't going to keep pizza frozen very long, yeah maybe since it is still winter in Chicago, but not long term.

Apparently the "bane" or stainless steel doesn't bother Harry, so bane toilet seats is kind of a moot point..

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Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2022, 09:51:53 AM »
Sitting on a cold stainless steel toilet seat is something the Winter Knight would find uncomfortable.

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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2022, 10:30:10 AM »
Sitting on a cold stainless steel toilet seat is something the Winter Knight would find uncomfortable.

The cold wouldn't bother Harry, he is the Winter Knight, besides this is the guy who took cold showers for years in his little basement apartment in the dead of winter in Chicago.

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Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2022, 12:57:01 PM »
Sitting on a cold stainless steel toilet seat is something the Winter Knight would find uncomfortable.
The cold wouldn't bother Harry, he is the Winter Knight, besides this is the guy who took cold showers for years in his little basement apartment in the dead of winter in Chicago.

I think the iron has to actually pierce his skin.  Do that, and it disrupts the Mantle entirely.

Simple contact isn't a problem for the WK -- he is still human, after all!

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« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2022, 01:28:34 PM »
I think the iron has to actually pierce his skin.  Do that, and it disrupts the Mantle entirely.

Simple contact isn't a problem for the WK -- he is still human, after all!
I agree, there was also the bit at the end of Battle Ground, when Harry was picked up off of Demonreach and they almost killed him treating him for hypothermia, which because he is the Winter Knight he didn't have.

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Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2022, 10:01:40 PM »
I think the iron has to actually pierce his skin.  Do that, and it disrupts the Mantle entirely.

Simple contact isn't a problem for the WK -- he is still human, after all!

Cold steel is the one cold which would bother Harry. Cold air and water no.

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« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2022, 03:18:21 PM »
Cold steel is the one cold which would bother Harry. Cold air and water no.

Well, if that be the case, leaving steel toilet seat other than being a token pain in the ass, doesn't do much.  Simply because a toilet seat is the cheapest, easiest, and a quick change... I can see Harry taking a look at that and saying, "Really Marcone? Is that the best you can do?"

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Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2022, 04:32:20 PM »
Well, if that be the case, leaving steel toilet seat other than being a token pain in the ass, doesn't do much.  Simply because a toilet seat is the cheapest, easiest, and a quick change... I can see Harry taking a look at that and saying, "Really Marcone? Is that the best you can do?"

Yes it would be a crap move, but Marcone has a blindspot for pettiness where Harry is concerned, something Harry can exploit.

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« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2022, 08:33:40 PM »
Yes it would be a crap move, but Marcone has a blindspot for pettiness where Harry is concerned, something Harry can exploit.

Which he would, I can see Harry ridiculing him in public on that very point..

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Re: Toot Toot and the dread cat Mister
« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2022, 06:25:11 AM »
Guys, please... arguing about the appliances? Stainless steel is a great low maintenance finish for a commercial/industrial kitchen, or look for a high end modern kitchen. Sub Zero, for example, is known for high end stainless steel appliances. 

Whereas when I see a stainless steel toilet I am thinking jail cell.