Is Murphy truly dead

[JamieLO]

I’ve been out of the country and only recently finished Peace Talks and Battle Ground. I was fortunate to be able to treat them as one book as Jim Butcher originally intended. Jim was quite excellent at setting up the possibility that Murphy didn’t actually die when he showed Harry being “killed” by Ebenezer at the beach. Maybe Molly fund a way to use her talent for veils and constructs. There is a lot we didn’t “see” from the time Molly leaves, Murphy “stays at Mac’s”, and when Harry and Murphy reunite with the motorcycle. Whose to say that a Einherjar wasn’t transported in the guise of Murphy. While Murphy herself is under the protection of Molly in the Never Never? Jim has done the death fake out before with at least a couple of the women in Harry’s life. What I’m saying is, it wouldn’t be the first time in the history of the series. It’s just a thought of possibility to be able to “bring Murphy back”.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Yes and no, she was taken to be an Einenjahren due to her prowess as a giant slayer by Odin.

A WOJ indicates that the Einenjhar are brought back to life because Odin has access to Soul Fire, essential in properly bringing someone back from the dead as other than something like a Black Court Vampire.

Soul Fire is the gift of the White God not an inherent power of Odin and of course Harry has it as well. Odin is effectively recruiting on behalf of the White God it would seem taking his use of Soul Power and the Kringle Mantle (Kringle can bypass thresholds, undoubtedly a protection put in place by the White God which Kringle is an exception to in agreement with Uriel).

This would make Murphy’s faith wholly consistent with the end of her life and her after-life, she had a good death but her service to the White God is not yet done. She was a former Knight of the Cross after all as well as being a Jotun Slayer.

The Einenjhar in mythology are linked to Odin, he dies they die. They also cannot return until living memory has forgotten them ie within the lifespan of mortal man.

In the BAT Murphy might return, but if this is Ragnarok then Odin will die, so it may well be Harry uses his Soul Fire to replace Odin in that connection, meaning that Murphy would then live as long as Harry. Or may not.

Meanwhile Murphy is in Valhalla surrounded by large hairy men feasting on boar and mead and wondering where she can get a chicken salad and mineral water.

[Arjan]

Yes and no, she was taken to be an Einenjahren due to her prowess as a giant slayer by Odin.

A WOJ indicates that the Einenjhar are brought back to life because Odin has access to Soul Fire, essential in properly bringing someone back from the dead as other than something like a Black Court Vampire.

Soul Fire is the gift of the White God not an inherent power of Odin

How do you know? The white god is just another name for Ymir. Uriel and Odin did cut him up together to create the world and after that their careers diverged somewhat but that is why you never hear that much about the white god.

and of course Harry has it as well. Odin is effectively recruiting on behalf of the White God it would seem taking his use of Soul Power and the Kringle Mantle (Kringle can bypass thresholds, undoubtedly a protection put in place by the White God which Kringle is an exception to in agreement with Uriel).

Kringle can bypass thresholds because he is a fairy and comes as a guest with good intentions.

This would make Murphy’s faith wholly consistent with the end of her life and her after-life, she had a good death but her service to the White God is not yet done. She was a former Knight of the Cross after all as well as being a Jotun Slayer.

The Einenjhar in mythology are linked to Odin, he dies they die. They also cannot return until living memory has forgotten them ie within the lifespan of mortal man.

In the BAT Murphy might return, but if this is Ragnarok then Odin will die, so it may well be Harry uses his Soul Fire to replace Odin in that connection, meaning that Murphy would then live as long as Harry. Or may not.

Meanwhile Murphy is in Valhalla surrounded by large hairy men feasting on boar and mead and wondering where she can get a chicken salad and mineral water.

Gard said she would be taken care of. They will serve whatever she wants.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

We have been given no data on Ymir, in the Dresdenverse we have on the White God, Odin hasn’t been forthcoming on his family, what we really need is a Larry Fowler Special dishing the dirt on the entire clan.

Kringle isn’t a Faerie he has a Faerie Mantle like Molly (cultural appropriation at its worst). A guest has to be invited in and whilst a goodly number of children invite Kringle in, I doubt unless an adult resident does so it sticks, a minor lacks the capacity to enter into a contract. The Fae are big on that.

Have you ever tried to get an institution to change ? I doubt they even have a proper ladies toilet. However I do not doubt Murphy is raising hell in Valhalla forcing change, through a kick to the groin a cogent well structured argument.

Gard may say that she is fine, but her and her sisters don’t stay there. As it stands Nathan is also probably making it known that he unhappy about the lack of a university level research library, as most of his new compatriots relied upon the oral tradition of the Edda’s rather than learn to read, let alone indulge in a doctoral level of academic debate.

[Mira]

Gard also said that there are rules that even Odin can violate.  Don't you think if Gard
could get around the rules to see Hendrix again, she would? 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Which suggests on this he answers to the White God through his local agent Uriel.

[Arjan]

We have been given no data on Ymir, in the Dresdenverse we have on the White God,

That is because we have a story told by an American named Harry living in Chicago. We know that the story would have been completely different if it was told by a Tamil from India. The local myth influences the tale.

We do not have details about him. Only what people said and that is not reliable, they will tell the myth of the white god.

Odin hasn’t been forthcoming on his family, what we really need is a Larry Fowler Special dishing the dirt on the entire clan.

Kringle isn’t a Faerie he has a Faerie Mantle like Molly (cultural appropriation at its worst). A guest has to be invited in and whilst a goodly number of children invite Kringle in, I doubt unless an adult resident does so it sticks, a minor lacks the capacity to enter into a contract. The Fae are big on that.

It is described in the books when Cat Sith entered Thomas’ apartment. Mab entered Michaels house without invitation. They do not need an invitation if they behave like guests.

Have you ever tried to get an institution to change ? I doubt they even have a proper ladies toilet. However I do not doubt Murphy is raising hell in Valhalla forcing change, through a kick to the groin a cogent well structured argument.

She is used to male environments and she trained with the einherjar in the past. She knows them.

Gard may say that she is fine, but her and her sisters don’t stay there.

We don’t know that. We only meet the einherjar and the valkyries when they are on a mission.

Vadderung is a collector. He probably has a complete library with military books

As it stands Nathan is also probably making it known that he unhappy about the lack of a university level research library, as most of his new compatriots relied upon the oral tradition of the Edda’s rather than learn to read, let alone indulge in a doctoral level of academic debate.

On average ancient people are more intelligent than modern people because they don’t have stupid factory jobs where you only have to turn one screw at every car or something like that. They can compose long poems without paper and sing them. Maybe Nathan did study Icelandic sagas.

Besides they adapt. They can use firearms now. Maybe Vadderung sends them to West Point or something like that.

[groinkick]

She will absolutely be back.  She won't be an injured, aged, vanilla mortal though.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Gosh, are you saying the Multiverse doesn’t revolve around Harry? I’m shocked, shocked I say!

And Murphy will return? There is nothing to indicate that at all except the fact that her body mysteriously disappeared and a known Chooser of the Slain said she had been taken by Odin, leaving behind a mystic symbol indicating she had been chosen. Nothing at all.

Jim really likes to have things both ways sometimes, leaving us with Schroedingers Murphy.

[Mira]

She will absolutely be back.  She won't be an injured, aged, vanilla mortal though.

Naw, she will have a hairy chest..

[Arjan]

Naw, she will have a hairy chest..

But now she gets a new superpower. She can eat and drink as much as she wants and she will be still fit and healthy the next morning!

[The_Sibelis]

Feel like Odin really took her to hold on to her most vital aspect for revival. But someone else with soul fire we know of is going to do the actual deed, someone who isn't limited by mortal memory.

[Mira]

But now she gets a new superpower. She can eat and drink as much as she wants and she will be still fit and healthy the next morning!

Yeah, and among other things if she is farmed out to fight and is killed again, she wakes up to do it all over again...

[Arjan]

Yeah, and among other things if she is farmed out to fight and is killed again, she wakes up to do it all over again...

The dream of every martial arts fanatic!

[Mira]

The dream of every martial arts fanatic!

But it does get old after a while...  Also what does that do to her faith and the promise of Heaven?