When Mac speaks.

[groinkick]

I was thinking that because Dresden has been kicked from the Council, LtW won't tell him about being Starborn or about the Stars and Stones.  In the end it will be Mac who explains it all to Dresden.

[Mira]

I was thinking that because Dresden has been kicked from the Council, LtW won't tell him about being Starborn or about the Stars and Stones.  In the end it will be Mac who explains it all to Dresden.

Could be, on the other hand LTW had nothing to do with Harry being kicked out, he was in surgery.  Of anybody, LTW understands persecution, it may be that he is so pissed off by the move that he takes it upon himself to tell Harry everything.

[groinkick]

Could be, on the other hand LTW had nothing to do with Harry being kicked out, he was in surgery.  Of anybody, LTW understands persecution, it may be that he is so pissed off by the move that he takes it upon himself to tell Harry everything.

You could be right, however I don't know if he'd want to go against the Council, and he said himself he doesn't believe he is qualified on his own.  It could be he meets with Martha, Eb, and Rashid and makes the decision  to tell.

[b4utoo]

He's out

[Yuillegan]

I was thinking that because Dresden has been kicked from the Council, LtW won't tell him about being Starborn or about the Stars and Stones.  In the end it will be Mac who explains it all to Dresden.

Mac only seems to speak about big things, like destiny. He is severely limited in what he can say, perhaps cosmically and perhaps that's the rule for beings like him. The starborn stuff does seem tied to Harry's destiny, and the fate of the world, and Mac is an angel who would know about it. But then again, everyone keeps saying it isn't their story to tell. Question is, who's story to tell is it?

Could be, on the other hand LTW had nothing to do with Harry being kicked out, he was in surgery.  Of anybody, LTW understands persecution, it may be that he is so pissed off by the move that he takes it upon himself to tell Harry everything.

I think you're right about Listens-to-Wind. LtW should still honour his promise though. He is a man of honour and of all the people on the Council I imagine breaking good faith agreements might upset him the most.

Also, as that man can shapeshift one would think he can heal himself. If you can remould skin, flesh and bone with your magic surely you can use the same process to heal yourself. Not saying he actually can do this in the series - but he should be able to. Seems like an oversight on Jim's part. If not, I would be keen to know why.

[KurtinStGeorge]

I think that sometime near the end of the next book; because the book is supposed to take place over the year following Murphy's death and LTW promised Harry he'd get back to him after one year, LTW comes back and tells Harry he can't give the him full answer; because Council politics or the rest of the Senior Council are afraid of Harry, or maybe some of both, but LTW can share some important; though probably obscure, tidbit of information with Harry.  Maybe it will be about the history of the last major Starborn who was involved with Winter and the Council, or maybe it will be about the Stars and Stones or perhaps it will be a cryptic clue such as, "When the (Fill in the blank) happens, the answer you are searching for will (more fill in the blank).  I don't think it will matter very much what LTW tells Harry, with the possible exception of the cryptic clue which would at least give the readers something to look out for.
 
What could be more interesting is where Harry goes to get the rest of the information he believes he needs to learn.  I'm not saying Harry will get this information from Bonea, but he's certainly going to be tempted to do so.  My guess is the first source of information will try to tap is Bob, but Bob's information will be somewhere between limited and nonexistent.

To get to the OP, I don't think Mac will give Harry everything he needs.  However; like LTW, Mac might give Harry a valuable clue, but probably only if he's asked in the right way.  I think Harry might have to tell Mac that the Council is afraid to tell him what it means to be Starborn and this has made Harry worry that he might not be ready.  This kind of honest self doubt might persuade Mac to give Harry the help he needs, though probably not a complete answer in and of itself.  Mac is far too terse in his use of language to give Harry the Starborn user's manual.  Plus, in Mac's own words, "I'm out."  So that leads me back to Mac not wanting to openly take sides, but deciding to share a vital clue with Harry. 

[Yuillegan]

I doubt Harry will accept anything less than a pretty meaty explanation. He was prepared to fight over it in Battle Ground, but LtW promised that he would round up the right people.

If he doesn't keep his word I suspect Harry will go to all the worst places to get that information, which might be worse for the White Council. I think LtW knows this and that's why he is prepared to tell Harry. But the fact that it will take LtW a year to meet all the right people and get them on side says to me he isn't going to waste that effort, and that he wants to do it the right way. Otherwise he would have just told him in Battle Ground.

What's going to be interesting I think will be when Harry finally knows about star born and the cycle and the game that everyone is playing. When he starts to figure out his role and who has been pushing him around. People will really start working on him then I suspect, and more stuff will come out as Harry will have entered the game, but the stakes and the pressure will be higher than ever. Just how Jim likes it. All kinds of people in the know will be able to start talking to him about the bigger stuff. This is going to be a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing kind of situation. I think Harry will most certainly regret scratching this itch.

[Snark Knight]

You could be right, however I don't know if he'd want to go against the Council, and he said himself he doesn't believe he is qualified on his own.  It could be he meets with Martha, Eb, and Rashid and makes the decision  to tell.

Martha wasn't injured. Unless she just didn't make it back to Edinburgh - in which case, who ratted him out over killing the turtlenecks? - the unanimous vote to put him on capital probation implies his display with the little folk and his actions during the battle scared her enough to flip her vote against him.

Eb is probably also going to be outright adversarial once the engagement to Lara gets announced.

Rashid is the only one of their pseudo-bloc on the Senior Council who would probably still speak in Harry's favor to LtW, assuming he's even one of the ones LTW felt obliged to consult. I'd bet River Shoulders is another outside the Council, so training with him to establish further trust would probably be a step in the right direction toward being clued in.

[Mira]

To get to the OP, I don't think Mac will give Harry everything he needs.  However; like LTW, Mac might give Harry a valuable clue, but probably only if he's asked in the right way.  I think Harry might have to tell Mac that the Council is afraid to tell him what it means to be Starborn and this has made Harry worry that he might not be ready.  This kind of honest self doubt might persuade Mac to give Harry the help he needs, though probably not a complete answer in and of itself.  Mac is far too terse in his use of language to give Harry the Starborn user's manual.  Plus, in Mac's own words, "I'm out."  So that leads me back to Mac not wanting to openly take sides, but deciding to share a vital clue with Harry.

I think that changed in Battle Ground, when Mac added his blood to the Placard, that was openly advertising a commitment.  The bar has always been neutral ground, but that wasn't going to be enough if the battle went ill.  Mac has always "taken" Harry's side ever since he tossed him the keys to his Trans Am so he could get out to the lake house to stop Victor Sells.  However his aid usually has taken a form that reveals little or nothing about himself.