Who is Listen?

[Yuillegan]

Powerlevels will get real wonky when Drakul dies if that's the case.

If Drakul dies. He's been around a long time after all. And might be an immortal.

The highlander thing has been brought up a bit and I have wondered about it myself a few times. Although the series/movies actually exist in the Dresden Files as content (which as we know, doesn't preclude it from existing altogether in the multiverse of the Dresden Files).

[TheCuriousFan]

If Drakul dies. He's been around a long time after all. And might be an immortal.

The highlander thing has been brought up a bit and I have wondered about it myself a few times. Although the series/movies actually exist in the Dresden Files as content (which as we know, doesn't preclude it from existing altogether in the multiverse of the Dresden Files).

Drakul doesn't strike me as one of those villains that'll hang around as a post-series potential menace.

[Mira]

Drakul doesn't strike me as one of those villains that'll hang around as a post-series potential menace.

Oh I think he will be around as long as there are vampires.

[groinkick]

Drakul doesn't strike me as one of those villains that'll hang around as a post-series potential menace.

Probably not but I hope to see some major awesomeness from him, because with a name like that, we'd better see something cool.

[TheCuriousFan]

Probably not but I hope to see some major awesomeness from him, because with a name like that, we'd better see something cool.

Or maybe he'll go out like his son and get punked when helpless because he's too strong to be taken out straight on.

[groinkick]

Or maybe he'll go out like his son and get punked when helpless because he's too strong to be taken out straight on.

Has it been stated how his son went out?  Was he helpless at the time?  Also it would be interesting as to how Drakul could be made helpless to begin with. 

[TheCuriousFan]

Has it been stated how his son went out?  Was he helpless at the time?  Also it would be interesting as to how Drakul could be made helpless to begin with.

No I'm just vaguely remembering how Dracula went.

[groinkick]

No I'm just vaguely remembering how Dracula went.

Ah ok.  I actually wonder if as a Starborn he was able to bring an Outsider inside of himself (trapped in mortal form - Jim).  I could see Harry somehow releasing the Outsider, and Drakul being reduced to being a mortal wizard...  Powerful, but mortal, and getting killed in a really bad way....  Maybe being fed on by Black Court vamps or something.

[Mira]

Ah ok.  I actually wonder if as a Starborn he was able to bring an Outsider inside of himself (trapped in mortal form - Jim).  I could see Harry somehow releasing the Outsider, and Drakul being reduced to being a mortal wizard...  Powerful, but mortal, and getting killed in a really bad way....  Maybe being fed on by Black Court vamps or something.

But the question is, would Drakul even want that?  Or was he evil to begin with and allowed the Outsider with in himself to begin with.  Even if the Outsider is expelled that doesn't mean he will suddenly change sides.

[Dina]

I think there is a chance that Listen really betrayed her, but we cannot know yet.

[forumghost]

I mean apparently Ethniu and the Fomor invading Chicago was a big diversion, with the real goal being putting Thomas in Demonreach so that Harry would let Nemesis inside.

For that to work you need Harry to beat her. (It also requires the svartalves to torture him and not question him even though he's obviously just the tool in this scenario, which is kinda weird for them) so it's possible that Nemesis had more then one agent in play here.

Or that it can just predict the future. At least one of the two is required for a plan this convoluted to conceivably work.

[groinkick]

I mean apparently Ethniu and the Fomor invading Chicago was a big diversion, with the real goal being putting Thomas in Demonreach so that Harry would let Nemesis inside.

For that to work you need Harry to beat her. (It also requires the svartalves to torture him and not question him even though he's obviously just the tool in this scenario, which is kinda weird for them) so it's possible that Nemesis had more then one agent in play here.

Or that it can just predict the future. At least one of the two is required for a plan this convoluted to conceivably work.

Pretty clever.  Of course if Dresden died there may be another person ready to stake a claim to DR and let It out.  I'm guessing Nemesis has many alternate plans.  You're right though, I hadn't even considered that the plan was for Harry to lock up Thomas on DR only for Justine to be allowed there.

[groinkick]

But the question is, would Drakul even want that?  Or was he evil to begin with and allowed the Outsider with in himself to begin with.  Even if the Outsider is expelled that doesn't mean he will suddenly change sides.

I'm of the opinion that Drakul being a Starborn forced an Outsider to enter his body so he could tap into that power.  When a person takes up a Mantle they gain it's power, but also limitations.  I see Drakul taking up the power, and bending it to his will.  It would be like Harry taking the Winter Knight mantle, and getting all of it's power and none of it's limitations.

[Mira]

I'm of the opinion that Drakul being a Starborn forced an Outsider to enter his body so he could tap into that power.  When a person takes up a Mantle they gain it's power, but also limitations.  I see Drakul taking up the power, and bending it to his will.  It would be like Harry taking the Winter Knight mantle, and getting all of it's power and none of it's limitations.

Perhaps, but I don't think an Outsider is that easily bent, not even by a starborn.  I also don't think the Winter Knight's mantle compares.  The closest might be the Shadow of Lasciel, that was a battle of wills, and Harry did use her ultimately changing her to Lash.  But that was quite a bit more complicated than it sounds as we all know.