New Dresden Files podcast interview.

[bigdangmoose]

If TM ends before the wedding with the MM twist then the end of MM will have to resolve it or drag it out in another book. If it ends after the wedding then Harry will still be married after his return from MM.  Changes was a cliffhanger ending. But GS resolved it at the end because we only needed to see what happened to Harry. For MM to affect the wedding we'd have to follow what occurs in both universes through both Harry's and mirror Harry's POV's. So that would make it two books in one. Not saying Jim won't do it but it would be a big departure from the format we've grown used to.

Why would we follow both Harry and MMHarry and follow both worlds? MMHarry isn't going to Harry's world. And if it happened before the wedding, all it would do is postpone it to a later date. This isn't like he jumps to a different place, spends some time there, and then comes back to the exact moment he left.it would just make the wedding at a different time, more time for it possibly not to happen.

[Bad Alias]

Not that getting rid of that favour would matter too much except in the sense that being rid of it would make it easier to slip out of being WK without Mab having either easy revenge or one last giant mess to chuck him into.

If Jim remembers the deal Harry made in SK, using the favor should release Harry from being Mab's knight. Remember, context doesn't matter for faerie deals.

"Three tasks," Mab murmured, holding up three fingers by way of visual aid. "From time to time, I will make a request of you. When you have fulfilled three requests, your obligation to me ceases."

It could be argued that Jim's already forgotten the deal, depending on your definition of requests. Requests and commands could be considered two distinct things.

So if Mab makes a request and Harry fulfills it, does he cease to be the Winter Knight, or does he just cease to work for Mab?

[Dina]

The problem is define what a favor is, but if Harry makes her a favor he will be free of obligations to the faeries. I think he would have the power of the WK but without any obligations. That would make Winter significantly weaker, so Mab would ask Harry to make a new deal, creating a delicious irony. The deal would probably involve Harry giving back the mantle in exchange to full healing of all his injuries, something about Maggie's future that I don't care about and a sort of immunity from Winter, like they can't touch him or something.

[vincentric]

The previous deal is has been superseded. Harry owed a debt that he had to pay by doing three tasks. Mab didn't owe him and him paying his debt wouldn't earn a favor, just free him.

Mab no longer needs to make requests of Harry. He is the Winter Knight now and bound to follow her orders. The deal he made in Changes was for power, time to rescue Maggie and to never be asked to hurt his loved ones. Mab doesn't ask things of Harry that she knows will cause an actual rebellion but she doesn't owe him anything more.

It might be possible for him to collect some of Mab's debts to others but I shudder to think what he'd have to do to get one large enough to escape being Winter Knight.

[Bad Alias]

The previous deal is has been superseded. ...

Mab no longer needs to make requests of Harry.

Disagree with the first; agree with the second.

[Telynn]

Now the person with a favored owed him from Mab is Butters. 

[Dina]

Disagree with the first; agree with the second.

Yes, but remember what Harry did in BG. He bounded Molly because he said that he has done more than what his office demanded him. Harry did not realize it yet but one day he will do Mab a favor (without being ordered to) so important, that she will have to awknowledge it. And at that point, the deal will be finished and Harry's will be free of fae influence.

[vincentric]

The deal that started with a debt to Lea may well be finished that way but his oath as Winter Knight isn't part of that deal.

[Dina]

Mab said that he would be free of any faerie influence.

[Arjan]

Mab said that he would be free of any faerie influence.

Harry could have ask for that third favor when negotiating in Changes but he did not. I don’t think rejected offers from previous negotiations necessarily count in the last negotiation.

[vincentric]

Mab said that he would be free of any faerie influence.

That was before he became the Winter Knight by an entirely new deal.

Being the Winter Knight isn't paying off the old debt, he swore himself to lifetime service in exchange for power.

[bigdangmoose]

That was before he became the Winter Knight by an entirely new deal.

Being the Winter Knight isn't paying off the old debt, he swore himself to lifetime service in exchange for power.

And yet, what Dina said is true. Mab said that when three favors are fulfilled, he will be free of faerie influence. That was at their first meeting in Harry's office. When on the battlefield in SK, Mab offered the deal of being the WKnight and erasing all favors owed. When he didn't take the deal, it was taken off the table.

Yes, Mab doesn't have to ask for favors anymore with Harry being her Knight. But, if say he unknowingly does her a favor, it would free him of any faerie influence, as she said back in SK, and the WKnight mantle is a faerie influence. So her rule was set first, and her being fae and the Queen, it should supersede Harry's vow.

[Mira]

And yet, what Dina said is true. Mab said that when three favors are fulfilled, he will be free of faerie influence. That was at their first meeting in Harry's office. When on the battlefield in SK, Mab offered the deal of being the WKnight and erasing all favors owed. When he didn't take the deal, it was taken off the table.

Yes, Mab doesn't have to ask for favors anymore with Harry being her Knight. But, if say he unknowingly does her a favor, it would free him of any faerie influence, as she said back in SK, and the WKnight mantle is a faerie influence. So her rule was set first, and her being fae and the Queen, it should supersede Harry's vow.

But she is tricky, you might say she did Harry a favor by making him her Knight.  If she had turned him down he'd of stayed crippled, then he couldn't saved Maggie, and then he'd be dead as part of the Red King's spell.  She might look at it that way as well.

[forumghost]

And yet, what Dina said is true. Mab said that when three favors are fulfilled, he will be free of faerie influence. That was at their first meeting in Harry's office. When on the battlefield in SK, Mab offered the deal of being the WKnight and erasing all favors owed. When he didn't take the deal, it was taken off the table.

Yes, Mab doesn't have to ask for favors anymore with Harry being her Knight. But, if say he unknowingly does her a favor, it would free him of any faerie influence, as she said back in SK, and the WKnight mantle is a faerie influence. So her rule was set first, and her being fae and the Queen, it should supersede Harry's vow.

I mean I don't think that when Mab said he'd be "Free of Faerie influence" she was actually counting future bargains that he hadn't made yet, but just the debt to he owed to Lea already.

Any future Bargains would be on their own terms. Like, if someone owes you $20 and you say "You pay for lunch next time and we're square", and then they borrow another $5000 for a car lone 6 years down the track, they can't just finally buy you that Pizza and be like "So, we're good on that 5k right?"

[Dina]

But faeries are different, their deals are stricter and by the letter.