Backcourt vampires WAG [spoilers all incl BG]

[TheCuriousFan]

where/when was that Woj if you might know? I didn't know we'd had word on that..

In the recent Barnes and Noble q&a but for some baffling reason they nuked it from their Facebook within the week.

Is this the Mysterious Galaxy q&a or a different one?

EDIT: It was the Barnes and Noble q&a

https://www.facebook.com/barnesandnoble/videos/1655260961290955

• The Fallen can be infected but between their generally slippery nature and the lack of free will to act they make really bad targets who can't do much. He compared it to sticking your hand inside a plastic bag.
• Marcone has absolutely rocketed past Harry in skill, Harry might be able to pull off the teleporting stunt Marone did in a few centuries.
• Saints were made with faith, the church doesn't really do it anymore because they decided it was creepy. This is the nice version of the darkhallow mentioned in Welcome to the Jungle.
• Thomas probably can't wield Amoriacchus, maybe one of the other ones.
• The first of several short stories should be coming up in a few weeks.
• Multiple dimensions metaphysics obviously coming up in Mirror Mirror. Jim is not sure if all of his series are in the same universe or not.
• Soulfire can be used with necromancy, it has dire results. The results of one such case are commonly running around in the dresden files.
• There's been about half a dozen wizards in total who've gotten soulfire. Regular humans don't get it.
• For Mouse there's plans for a three part novella (first being presumably Zoo Day) planned. The second part will be Mouse and Cerberus going off on an adventure together.

[Mira]

Marcone has absolutely rocketed past Harry in skill, Harry might be able to pull off the teleporting stunt Marone did in a few centuries.

Marcone hasn't, but Namshiel is a Fallen Angel, so yeah... 

Thomas probably can't wield Amoriacchus, maybe one of the other ones.

Now that is interesting because the general consensus has been he'd be able to wield the Sword of Love because of his true love for Justine.  So that gets thrown out the window now?  I guess I could see him wielding the Sword of Hope, because as we learned from the soul gaze with Harry many years ago, part of Thomas continues to fight the Hunger even though it seems to be a losing battle.

Multiple dimensions metaphysics obviously coming up in Mirror Mirror. Jim is not sure if all of his series are in the same universe or not.

Now that sounds confusing...

Soulfire can be used with necromancy, it has dire results. The results of one such case are commonly running around in the dresden files.
There's been about half a dozen wizards in total who've gotten soulfire. Regular humans don't get it.

I'm not happy with that, yeah I know, not my call, but...  So since at least one of the wizards who got soulfire, also used it with necromancy, does that say that archangels are really bad a judging the people they are giving the soulfire to?  Or because of free will they don't think it is their problem?

[StrayDog]

Multiple dimensions metaphysics obviously coming up in Mirror Mirror. Jim is not sure if all of his series are in the same universe or not.

Oh please don't!! I will absolutely be done with this series at that point.

[Mira]

Oh please don't!! I will absolutely be done with this series at that point.

I don't know if I will go that far, but the series is already moving past the reason why I loved it in the first place.  What began as unique has swiftly moved to standard fantasy, that is one reason why I cannot get excited about Mirror Mirror.

[The_Sibelis]

Marcone suddenly having mad skills in magic is just about the stupidest thing ever... We constantly were reminded the easy path would let give you power at a terrible price and suddenly Marcone skips all that and just be ones a magical demigod with no drawbacks? That breaks the DF on a very moral level... I hate it, I absolutely despise it even. Getting a coin doesn't have to mean you become a practitioner. Marcone should have become a big hulking monster not some finesse filled warlock.

[Arjan]

Marcone suddenly having mad skills in magic is just about the stupidest thing ever... We constantly were reminded the easy path would let give you power at a terrible price and suddenly Marcone skips all that and just be ones a magical demigod with no drawbacks? That breaks the DF on a very moral level... I hate it, I absolutely despise it even. Getting a coin doesn't have to mean you become a practitioner. Marcone should have become a big hulking monster not some finesse filled warlock.

There will be drawbacks. He will loose his principles, the loyalty of his followers and he already lost a friend. At some point he will probably loose Gard’s respect as the fallen will influence his personality.

He will loose his soul.

[StrayDog]

So since at least one of the wizards who got soulfire, also used it with necromancy, does that say that archangels are really bad a judging the people they are giving the soulfire to?

I truly don't remember where this was mentioned or was it in one of the side stories?

[Arjan]

Marcone hasn't, but Namshiel is a Fallen Angel, so yeah... 

Now that is interesting because the general consensus has been he'd be able to wield the Sword of Love because of his true love for Justine.  So that gets thrown out the window now?  I guess I could see him wielding the Sword of Hope, because as we learned from the soul gaze with Harry many years ago, part of Thomas continues to fight the Hunger even though it seems to be a losing battle.
Now that sounds confusing...

I'm not happy with that, yeah I know, not my call, but...  So since at least one of the wizards who got soulfire, also used it with necromancy, does that say that archangels are really bad a judging the people they are giving the soulfire to?  Or because of free will they don't think it is their problem?

It means they take risks and can not predict everything when it comes to how humans use their free will.

[Mira]

I truly don't remember where this was mentioned or was it in one of the side stories?

That's my point, it isn't anywhere as far as I know.. Suddenly well, there is more than one star born, and oh maybe eight wizards were gifted soul fire..  So that makes Harry not so special after all for starters... Then saying when they mix soul fire with necromancy it has bad results?  What I am saying why would an archangel give it to someone who'd do that in the first place?

[StrayDog]

That's my point, it isn't anywhere as far as I know..

As far as you know there isn't a reference in any of JB's published DF works that mentions how many wizards got soulfire or it's affect casting Necromancy? The only one I recall was Uriel talking about it being a gift to Harry because he resisted Lashiel. I myself don't recall any other mentions about other wizards having it nor any using it with Necromancy.

[Mira]

As far as you know there isn't a reference in any of JB's published DF works that mentions how many wizards got soulfire or it's affect casting Necromancy? The only one I recall was Uriel talking about it being a gift to Harry because he resisted Lashiel. I myself don't recall any other mentions about other wizards having it nor any using it with Necromancy.

Nor I, and up until I read Jim's answer in this thread, I thought Harry was the only one and that was really a special gift.  Now we know, maybe not so much..

[The_Sibelis]

There will be drawbacks. He will loose his principles, the loyalty of his followers and he already lost a friend. At some point he will probably loose Gard’s respect as the fallen will influence his personality.

He will loose his soul.

true. But Harry having studied magic his whole life isn't crap compared to Marcone right now... Unless Marcone doesn't actually know all the magic he was using and was heavily relying on Namshiel to act for him in lieu of actual knowledge/experience.. it just seems so off to me. Perhaps if Harry had picked up Lasciels coin he really would have been a beast with what he could do .

[edf]

I suspect that Marcone has both a crash course in specific magic, power granted from a Fallen Angel (since Marcone didn't have a lot in the tank by himself), and Namshiel running co-pilot to assist.   

Likely at the end of BG, Marcone had two issues. First, he wasn't it was worth trying to keep the eye from other interested parties. Second, throwing down with Harry isn't a sure thing (fortune seems to favor him).  Third, killing Harry might spark conflict with Mab, the White Council (at least at that point), or even Odin.   
 

[TheCuriousFan]

Marcone hasn't, but Namshiel is a Fallen Angel, so yeah... 

I'm not happy with that, yeah I know, not my call, but...  So since at least one of the wizards who got soulfire, also used it with necromancy, does that say that archangels are really bad a judging the people they are giving the soulfire to?  Or because of free will they don't think it is their problem?

Sorry but it was Marcone at the wheel for that stuff by the looks of it.

As for soulfire, keep in mind that the first guy we see them give it to is a guy that had a 1/3 chance of going full Kemmler two years after he got it.

There will be drawbacks. He will loose his principles, the loyalty of his followers and he already lost a friend. At some point he will probably loose Gard’s respect as the fallen will influence his personality.

He will loose his soul.

There was that whole scene where he had to be coaxed into not letting civilians be slaughtered for one example of this.

true. But Harry having studied magic his whole life isn't crap compared to Marcone right now... Unless Marcone doesn't actually know all the magic he was using and was heavily relying on Namshiel to act for him in lieu of actual knowledge/experience.. it just seems so off to me. Perhaps if Harry had picked up Lasciels coin he really would have been a beast with what he could do .

Both off and completely in line with Lash's tempting offers.

As for Harry with Lasciel, depends on if he would actually take the training or if he'd decide just spamming hellfire would get him in less debt to her.

[BrainFireBob]

That's my point, it isn't anywhere as far as I know.. Suddenly well, there is more than one star born, and oh maybe eight wizards were gifted soul fire..  So that makes Harry not so special after all for starters... Then saying when they mix soul fire with necromancy it has bad results?  What I am saying why would an archangel give it to someone who'd do that in the first place?

Eight wizards in 52000 years of himanity, assuming wizardry started with people. I mean, Gilgamesh having had it would change nothing.

We always knew that Elaine was also probably starborn. Listens isn't a Harry level talent.

Also, I posted before: I think it is the White Court, and an attempt by the soulfire wielder at true ressurection using necromancy. Not evil, that.