Molly's Doppelganger Ring Crafting

[TrueMonk]

Marcone could be candidate. It is a very handy thing to have. Yes he could get it from Monoc, bit it is expensive and he might have some winter favours.

I still think Mab is a good choice though. They seem too little prepared for Fomor treachery considering Leas comments in Bombshells about treachery behind the nature of the Fomor

[bigdangmoose]

You know, I don't think the comment was referring to what she has made, rather that she has been doing more wizard magic than WL magic

[Hagbard Celine]

I've re-read the passage several times, and it really does seem like she's referring to specifically *that* kind of magic item.  I suppose it doesn't matter...until it does.  Lol.

[Yuillegan]

She isn't a wizard, even if she is the Winter Queen.  If Mab made it Ethniu might be able to detect it or there was the fear.  I'd think that Harry could make one, but he was pretty busy, Mab may have been also.

What does Mab being a wizard or not have to do with it? Besides, if she is Nimue or Morgana (as is implied) then she likely is. Wizard or not, she could easily do what Molly did. Probably better. She is a demigod.

Perhaps she could have fooled Ethniu herself, but it was Molly who supposedly created a similar item. But I doubt Ethniu could have been fooled. Her power is an order of magnitude above Mab.

Also I see no reason for Mab to even use such an item. She was as surprised as anyone by Ethniu's appearance. That wasn't an act. Ferrovax and Vadderung were equally surprised. As far as they were all concerned, they were not expecting such an assault. Else wouldn't they have placed a trap and caught Ethniu out? No, Mab got her real ass handed to her. Mab isn't omniscient and even she can get outfoxed.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Mab baited a trap for rabbit and got a Fox.

[Mira]

Mab baited a trap for rabbit and got a Fox.

More like a mountain lion....  Mab keeps her hands clean, so it is better to have her Lady make the ring, plausible deniability...  Very important in diplomatic talks of any kind.

[vultur]

Mab baited a trap for rabbit and got a Fox.

Yeah, I agree. Lea says the Fomor are betrayers in "Bombshells", and if Lea knows that, Mab must.

But Mab was expecting something notably smaller-scale, not a Titan able to take her on personally.

[Yuillegan]

Mab got a bear.

But I will say this - there will be some other play behind the scenes. I don't know if Mab will come off better or worse for it, but we do know she is standing after the battle.

[Mira]

Mab got a bear.

But I will say this - there will be some other play behind the scenes. I don't know if Mab will come off better or worse for it, but we do know she is standing after the battle.

Yup, but we don't know yet the price that was paid..  Hints from Christmas Eve lists, Harry, Molly, Mab, Michael, Sarrissa, Michael's family, little Maggie, Mouse, and Kringle all surviving the battle, and that vanilla mortals paid a huge price.  That is all we know.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

We also don’t know Thomas ultimate fate, he might be inprisoned, he might not, but I find it significant it is Harry’s memory of his father that is centre stage. There is a theory on Reddit that Eb killed Malcolm as Malcom couldn’t defend Harry and that Eb needed him out of the way to make Harry vanish into the Foster system, based on Journal and Ch 4 of PT. I give this credence, Margaret rebelled against Eb when he was training her to replace him as Blackstaff. I think Morgan promised her to protect Harry.....from Eb doing exactly the same to Harry. The realisation of what Eb wants for Maggie and Eb’s apparent willingness to kill (the doppleganger) Harry means that Harry consciously realises that Eb broke the first law to kill his father and put him through the foster system. He may have subconsciously realised this as far back as Dead Beat and the dream sequence with Malcom. The Jabberwocky was Eb. Harry’s subconscious is way faster on the uptake than Harry.

This is what has Harry depressed on Christmas Eve, we have foreshadowing in ‘will granpa come for Christmas’ in ch4 PT. Harry asked for the ring after his confrontation with Eb, and I think it was for this conflict which Harry which he foresaw the need. He told Eb he would kill him if he tried this with Maggie, Harry was deadly serious. I think on Christmas Eve Eb is in Demonreach, and Harry doesn’t feel at all guilty about that.

This makes Eb as a possible reason for Thomas attack on Etri more likely, to force Harry to see things his way. I don’t however think that Eb is Nemfected or Black Council, merely an abusive controlling asshole who can’t admit he is ever wrong, and has because of his power and status got away with it for centuries. He abused Harry and Margaret, in the name of his love for them.

[TheCuriousFan]

We also don’t know Thomas ultimate fate, he might be inprisoned, he might not, but I find it significant it is Harry’s memory of his father that is centre stage. There is a theory on Reddit that Eb killed Malcolm as Malcom couldn’t defend Harry and that Eb needed him out of the way to make Harry vanish into the Foster system, based on Journal and Ch 4 of PT. I give this credence, Margaret rebelled against Eb when he was training her to replace him as Blackstaff. I think Morgan promised her to protect Harry.....from Eb doing exactly the same to Harry. The realisation of what Eb wants for Maggie and Eb’s apparent willingness to kill (the doppleganger) Harry means that Harry consciously realises that Eb broke the first law to kill his father and put him through the foster system. He may have subconsciously realised this as far back as Dead Beat and the dream sequence with Malcom. The Jabberwocky was Eb. Harry’s subconscious is way faster on the uptake than Harry.

This is what has Harry depressed on Christmas Eve, we have foreshadowing in ‘will granpa come for Christmas’ in ch4 PT. Harry asked for the ring after his confrontation with Eb, and I think it was for this conflict which Harry which he foresaw the need. He told Eb he would kill him if he tried this with Maggie, Harry was deadly serious. I think on Christmas Eve Eb is in Demonreach, and Harry doesn’t feel at all guilty about that.

This makes Eb as a possible reason for Thomas attack on Etri more likely, to force Harry to see things his way. I don’t however think that Eb is Nemfected or Black Council, merely an abusive controlling asshole who can’t admit he is ever wrong, and has because of his power and status got away with it for centuries. He abused Harry and Margaret, in the name of his love for them.

There was nothing willing about Harry jarring him into setting off the boom prematurely by jumping at him. He was homicidal in that bit but not deliberately aimed at Harry.

“Ach, God,” the old man whispered, his breath creaking.

His staff clattered to the dock. It sounded like it came from very far away.

“Harry?” he said. “Harry?”

His face appeared at the end of a little black tunnel.

“Oh, lad,” he said, tears in his eyes. “Oh, lad. Didn’t think you were going to come at me again. Didn’t think it would trigger.”

I could feel his hands on my face, distantly.

“That’s why you were so big on teaching me control,” I slurred dully. “You’re barely holding it together yourself.”

[Mira]

There was nothing willing about Harry jarring him into setting off the boom prematurely by jumping at him. He was homicidal in that bit but not deliberately aimed at Harry.

   Which screams that there is something very wrong with Eb, he doesn't lose control like that.  Now he may decide to get back at you by dropping a satellite on your head like he did Ortega for trying to kill his grandson by cheating in a duel, but that was done with a cool head.

[vultur]

   Which screams that there is something very wrong with Eb, he doesn't lose control like that.

Yeah. Though it might not be anything supernatural; River Shoulders says a lot of older wizards are running out of time. Maybe Eb's just losing focus/control/etc because of age.

I think that's part of why Harry is so devastated -- not only that Eb lost control and would have killed him, but that Eb basically can't be trusted anymore, which (as Blackstaff) probably means he's going to have to die... he probably wouldn't agree to retire at this point.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Retirement is an option, to a specialist elder care home called Demonreach. Of course most of the other  elders are Elder Gods.....

[TheCuriousFan]

   Which screams that there is something very wrong with Eb, he doesn't lose control like that.  Now he may decide to get back at you by dropping a satellite on your head like he did Ortega for trying to kill his grandson by cheating in a duel, but that was done with a cool head.

Yeah. Though it might not be anything supernatural; River Shoulders says a lot of older wizards are running out of time. Maybe Eb's just losing focus/control/etc because of age.

I think that's part of why Harry is so devastated -- not only that Eb lost control and would have killed him, but that Eb basically can't be trusted anymore, which (as Blackstaff) probably means he's going to have to die... he probably wouldn't agree to retire at this point.

The loss of control is because he's basically Harry except with ghouls swapped out for vampires and there's the whole fear of history repeating that's driving him to desperation(Harry living with loved ones openly and Harry seeming way too close with the white court managed to hammer him with two in a few days) as Harry is in danger of being voted out. Might even have a bit more trauma from actually fighting the war against the Fomor to keep him wound up in general.

Retirement is an option, to a specialist elder care home called Demonreach. Of course most of the other  elders are Elder Gods.....

As Harry points out with Thomas that's really a fate worse than death sort of thing especially for someone like Eb who has a whole lot of blood on his hands.