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Re: This Space for Hire Placard Theories
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2020, 10:36:11 PM »
It means Jim gets to write his own mythology around it. So he will use it to expound upon HIS narrative.

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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2020, 12:49:41 PM »
This is correct. Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum.
But I also don't find any legends.

 One might call it a sarcastic "bill board" a warning to others who may have the same ambitions as
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« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2020, 08:05:43 PM »
It's possible that it's just a power supply to supercharge whatever action Harry wants to take. The aura around each object practically burns his fingers, so we may just be looking at bringing more horsepower.

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« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2020, 09:05:21 PM »
The swords are powered by an Angel, what powers the Placard and other weapons? multiple angels, an Archangel, a god?.

The Athame should be powerful enough on its own to achieve its end and that’s the rub, there is no need in that instance for it to be a power supply, and the other objects have a specific purpose,  Harry can use them in accordance with their purpose (like the swords) but he can’t draw on the swords as a source of power for his purpose.

Maybe he is going to Wile. E Coyote it, an ardent user of placards.


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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2020, 05:18:50 AM »
The swords are powered by an Angel, what powers the Placard and other weapons? multiple angels, an Archangel, a god?.

The Athame should be powerful enough on its own to achieve its end and that’s the rub, there is no need in that instance for it to be a power supply, and the other objects have a specific purpose,  Harry can use them in accordance with their purpose (like the swords) but he can’t draw on the swords as a source of power for his purpose.

Maybe he is going to Wile. E Coyote it, an ardent user of placards.

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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2020, 03:04:37 PM »
but he can’t draw on the swords as a source of power for his purpose.
Not.... YET. but just as the WK is not usually held by a wizard.. we have yet to see what a saint can do with one. Honestly I expected butters to continue with some of his Batman artifices using the swords power as a mock up of force abilities, but perhaps that'd cut too close to an actual Jedi.

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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2020, 03:54:33 PM »
It is unlikely that Harry will draw power from an Angel, the gift of Soulfire comes from his soul, by operation of his free will.

Harry is no saint either, he is human, a very, very human, human (and a wizard). Kringle is the only saint in the series (Nicholas).

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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2020, 04:29:40 PM »
It is unlikely that Harry will draw power from an Angel, the gift of Soulfire comes from his soul, by operation of his free will.

Harry is no saint either, he is human, a very, very human, human (and a wizard). Kringle is the only saint in the series (Nicholas).
might wanna go back over death masks and think about what harry actually believes... He's a dead ringer as charlie brown for Hope.

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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2020, 06:46:21 PM »
might wanna go back over death masks and think about what harry actually believes... He's a dead ringer as charlie brown for Hope.

He will always take a kick at the football, especially if there is a beautiful woman holding it.

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« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2020, 05:26:28 AM »
The swords are powered by an Angel, what powers the Placard and other weapons? multiple angels, an Archangel, a god?.

I figured it was basically residual energy from the Crucifixion. I guess it could be angels too, though.

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Harry can use them in accordance with their purpose (like the swords) but he can’t draw on the swords as a source of power for his purpose.

Well, Nicodemus was going to use the (other) Shroud as a power source for the plague curse, and even though that wasn't the actual Shroud, it still had power due to being a focus of faith - yet Nic could use it for destructive magic that was very much not in accordance with that faith.

Now, that might not work for the Swords, since an actual angel is probably consciously deciding what to do with the power.

But also, Harry isn't going to mess around with them like that; he's their custodian, but not really their owner. I really wouldn't rule out the possibility to use the Swords as symbolic items in thaumaturgy, even though Harry probably couldn't access the power of the angel itself. Just because Harry hasn't done it doesn't mean he couldn't.

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« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2020, 02:16:09 PM »
Don't forget, Mavra didn't want to just break the sword, she wanted to change it. If it's an angelic grace, it absolutely can fall.

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Re: This Space for Hire Placard Theories
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2020, 02:46:13 PM »
Imagine a Sword powered by a Fallen Angel.

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« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2020, 02:49:27 PM »
Don't forget, Mavra didn't want to just break the sword, she wanted to change it. If it's an angelic grace, it absolutely can fall.

She wanted to totally unmake it, if it had been used to kill an innocent, it would have happened.

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« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2020, 04:55:32 PM »
She wanted to totally unmake it, if it had been used to kill an innocent, it would have happened.
she wanted to change it. Wait til a sith gets ahold of the faith saber, you'll see. Jim mentions how it's more vulnerable now. But if it's safe, how's it more vulnerable? By being easier to misuse in the wrong hands.

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« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2020, 06:39:07 PM »
she wanted to change it. Wait til a sith gets ahold of the faith saber, you'll see. Jim mentions how it's more vulnerable now. But if it's safe, how's it more vulnerable? By being easier to misuse in the wrong hands.

I have to go back and get the exact quote from Grave Peril, but Michael said nothing about changing,he was explicit about destroying it by Mavra.  We are also talking about two different Swords here.  In Grave Peril it was the Sword of Love that she tried to destroy at the party by way of human sacrifice of an innocent.  She didn't even come close, so I don't think the Sword of Love is in danger or vulnerable or any more vulnerable than before depending on in who's hands it sits in.  The Sword of Faith on the other hand was changed when Murphy broke it breaking the rules governing the Swords, it became a light saber in the hands of Butters and that might make it more vulnerable.