Another bit of possible foreshadowing

[forumghost]

I mean Corpsetaker though. She was all dead (bullet to the back of the Skull) but she wasn't dead enough that she couldn't come back from it.

Death is really fuzzy in the Dresdenverse. The way I see it, Harry was dead alright... but as Bob put it, Dead=/=Gone.

Basically, Miracle Max has it wrong here. Mostly Dead? Easy Fix. All dead? Harder, but still doable. Very dead? Getting tricky but sure. Super Dead? Kiiiinnda pushing the boundary here. DED Dead? Okay yeah, now there's nothing left to do but go through their pockets for change.

[morriswalters]

Kind of dead isn't really a meaningful statement. Neither is almost dead, or dead enough to fool gods and whoever else.  And had JB not wanted this confusion he should have picked another mythology other than the Christian one.  Christian(Catholic) mythology would say that (assisted) suicide is a mortal sin and condemns the soul to hell.  And thus, I assume, the imbalance that Urial was addressing.

While the point at which you die finally die isn't clear, there is a point where you are dead.  Which is what Mab's quote is about.  JB is channeling  biologists.

Maeve and Sarissa's dad was a composer in the 1600s or so, give or take.  Austrian I think.

As for Mab getting a baby off of Harry, I doubt it, just because Jim's gone to that well once already.

Twice.  And do you have a citation for the Austrian?  The WOJ database defies my search capabilities.

[Mr. Death]

Maeve and Sarissa's dad was a composer in the 1600s or so, give or take.  Austrian I think.

As for Mab getting a baby off of Harry, I doubt it, just because Jim's gone to that well once already.

Also, consider Mab's state at the end of Ghost Story -- she's decrepit and emaciated from spending the previous months keeping Harry's body alive. While there may well be significant differences between Faerie and Human physiology, it seems to me that she couldn't have been carrying a child and using up all her strength and wasting away saving Harry at the same time.

[groinkick]

Also, consider Mab's state at the end of Ghost Story -- she's decrepit and emaciated from spending the previous months keeping Harry's body alive. While there may well be significant differences between Faerie and Human physiology, it seems to me that she couldn't have been carrying a child and using up all her strength and wasting away saving Harry at the same time.

Makes me wonder if during this time of weakness it allowed enemies to move about, gaining ground.

[Mr. Death]

Makes me wonder if during this time of weakness it allowed enemies to move about, gaining ground.

Probably! After all, she wasn't attending to her normal duties, and while she does have Lea, she may not have been able to cover all her bases.

[Mira]

I mean Corpsetaker though. She was all dead (bullet to the back of the Skull) but she wasn't dead enough that she couldn't come back from it.

Death is really fuzzy in the Dresdenverse. The way I see it, Harry was dead alright... but as Bob put it, Dead=/=Gone.

Basically, Miracle Max has it wrong here. Mostly Dead? Easy Fix. All dead? Harder, but still doable. Very dead? Getting tricky but sure. Super Dead? Kiiiinnda pushing the boundary here. DED Dead? Okay yeah, now there's nothing left to do but go through their pockets for change.

No, it is the spectrum that Mab spoke of..  Harry was in a very deep coma, without Team Mab keeping his vitals going he soon expire or pass over that horizon that no one returns... 

I disagree about what Miracle Max said, if Harry had been completely dead when he fell into her arms, Mab would have simply let him go or buried him...  You are also leaving out the bit that both Mort and Bob said, Harry was in danger because he wasn't really a ghost, as in what is left behind after one dies and is, all dead...

[wardenferry419]

Harry didn't buy a house in Deadville; but, he was definitely renting an apartment.

[forumghost]

Harry didn't buy a house in Deadville; but, he was definitely renting an apartment.

More importantly, he had the option of moving there indefinitely (Uriel's Job offer). If you're dead enough to have an option of permanent residency in a Literal Ghost Town, you're dead enough to be labelled as "Dead" IMHO.

[morriswalters]

Harry didn't buy a house in Deadville; but, he was definitely renting an apartment.

[Mira]

More importantly, he had the option of moving there indefinitely (Uriel's Job offer). If you're dead enough to have an option of permanent residency in a Literal Ghost Town, you're dead enough to be labelled as "Dead" IMHO.

  Uriel also said that Harry wasn't a ghost... When Uriel gave Harry the job offer it was part of a choice don't think truly dead get a choice of jobs..  Then he sent Harry back..

[Avernite]

At the risk of confusing the discussion...

Uriel also said Harry IS a soul and HAS a body. As such whether or not his body was alive might not be so critical; his soul was certainly was acting like it had no body anymore. But his Soul had not vanished into the utter dark, so in that sense his Soul wasn't dead yet.

[groinkick]

At the risk of confusing the discussion...

Uriel also said Harry IS a soul and HAS a body. As such whether or not his body was alive might not be so critical; his soul was certainly was acting like it had no body anymore. But his Soul had not vanished into the utter dark, so in that sense his Soul wasn't dead yet.

The soul doesn't die, it moves on from the mortal realm or is destroyed by a person's choices. 

[Avernite]

The soul doesn't die, it moves on from the mortal realm or is destroyed by a person's choices.

If the soul moves on, I'd call that death.