WAG.... Murphy has moved on

[groinkick]

Nah, Ebenezer specifically said he did something that should help Harry's bloodflow in the hand in addition to helping with the pain.

Going by the examples in the RPG's rulebook, it seems that most magical healing doesn't do much more than start or maybe slightly speed up the normal healing process. Any kind of "instant fix" is in the realm of sponsored magics, like Summer.

Makes me wonder if Listen to Wind would have a Summer Mantle.  He being a healer, and being big on protecting nature seems like a natural fit for him.

[peregrine]

Also Elaine did some magical healing stuff, using Reiki to move energy around or somesuch, in White Night.

[Hagbard Celine]

Well, Murphy would make a good Summer Knight, hehe.

[jonas]

Makes me wonder if Listen to Wind would have a Summer Mantle.  He being a healer, and being big on protecting nature seems like a natural fit for him.

... as short as he is I'd laugh if he was secretly EG. I'm still partial to Shakespear, but LTW would make an ironic donut scene too.

[Mr. Death]

Makes me wonder if Listen to Wind would have a Summer Mantle.  He being a healer, and being big on protecting nature seems like a natural fit for him.

It seems to fit, but from the descriptions we have, I wouldn't be sure. For one, he apparently has to keep going to medical school to keep up, which is consistent with regular wizardry "healing," which requires that you know what you're doing, as opposed to Summer Magic healing, in which the sponsor does all the hard work.

Also Elaine did some magical healing stuff, using Reiki to move energy around or somesuch, in White Night.

Yeah, that's the clearest basis for an example in the DFRPG books -- with the caveat that it only works on certain types of injuries (mainly blunt trauma -- it won't make wounds close any faster, and even then, only up to a certain severity).

The sense I've gotten is that magical healing basically does what mundane medicine can, only different and sometimes slightly faster.

[Fcrate]

Nah, Ebenezer specifically said he did something that should help Harry's bloodflow in the hand in addition to helping with the pain.

Going by the examples in the RPG's rulebook, it seems that most magical healing doesn't do much more than start or maybe slightly speed up the normal healing process. Any kind of "instant fix" is in the realm of sponsored magics, like Summer.

I remember now, thanks.

[Arjan]

It seems to fit, but from the descriptions we have, I wouldn't be sure. For one, he apparently has to keep going to medical school to keep up, which is consistent with regular wizardry "healing," which requires that you know what you're doing, as opposed to Summer Magic healing, in which the sponsor does all the hard work.
Yeah, that's the clearest basis for an example in the DFRPG books -- with the caveat that it only works on certain types of injuries (mainly blunt trauma -- it won't make wounds close any faster, and even then, only up to a certain severity).

The sense I've gotten is that magical healing basically does what mundane medicine can, only different and sometimes slightly faster.

There is probably some black magic trick that makes you heal really fast. Something with human sacrifice probably :-)

[groinkick]

It seems to fit, but from the descriptions we have, I wouldn't be sure. For one, he apparently has to keep going to medical school to keep up, which is consistent with regular wizardry "healing," which requires that you know what you're doing, as opposed to Summer Magic healing, in which the sponsor does all the hard work.

Yeah but even Summer seems to work in deals and stuff like that.  Any healing he did with the Summer Mantle would require something in return where him using his medical, and magical knowledge wouldn't.  Come to think of it if he does have a Mantle of power (which I'm thinking he does) it may be more aligned with Native American lore and not associated with the Sidhe.  He's probably too smart to get tangled up with that crew.

[Quantus]

Another possibility worth considering is that even the Summer Healing may require the conscious, practical knowledge of what you are fiddling with before it will work, and the only reason the Fae are good at it is that they are not restricted by all those pesky Laws against using magic to manipulate the bodies of others.  It has better PR but Healing Magic (especially the water-based stuff as I understand it) is the same 1/2 step from Law Breaking that Ectomancy, Chronomancy, and Neuromancy all are, which is to say they make the Council verrry nervous even if they are useful.

[Mr. Death]

Another possibility worth considering is that even the Summer Healing may require the conscious, practical knowledge of what you are fiddling with before it will work, and the only reason the Fae are good at it is that they are not restricted by all those pesky Laws against using magic to manipulate the bodies of others.  It has better PR but Healing Magic (especially the water-based stuff as I understand it) is the same 1/2 step from Law Breaking that Ectomancy, Chronomancy, and Neuromancy all are, which is to say they make the Council verrry nervous even if they are useful.

Not according to the write-up in the RPG. That, at least, makes it pretty clear that healing is a part of Summer and Winter magics because the sponsor is doing the leg-work for you as far as medical knowledge goes. That's basically the entire advantage to healing through that magic instead of normal mortal magic.

You're not far off about it being transformative, though. It is in the same school of magic as 2nd-law-breaking spells, though the fact you're just fixing things lets it slide, I think.

[Quantus]

Not according to the write-up in the RPG. That, at least, makes it pretty clear that healing is a part of Summer and Winter magics because the sponsor is doing the leg-work for you as far as medical knowledge goes. That's basically the entire advantage to healing through that magic instead of normal mortal magic.

You're not far off about it being transformative, though. It is in the same school of magic as 2nd-law-breaking spells, though the fact you're just fixing things lets it slide, I think.

That's what I meant: even if it is a fae handling the magic, the magic still requires a guiding intellect that understands the changes needed and directs the magic accordingly.  Even if it is Sponsored Magic, there is still a requirement for somebody to actually have hte knowledge; there is no free lunch magic that could, for example, heal an alien with unknown physiology. 

[Mr. Death]

That's what I meant: even if it is a fae handling the magic, the magic still requires a guiding intellect that understands the changes needed and directs the magic accordingly.  Even if it is Sponsored Magic, there is still a requirement for somebody to actually have hte knowledge; there is no free lunch magic that could, for example, heal an alien with unknown physiology.

Oh, I thought you were saying that, for instance, if Harry picked up Summer Magic and wanted to use it to heal, Harry would have to have the medical knowledge. My mistake.

[Quantus]

Oh, I thought you were saying that, for instance, if Harry picked up Summer Magic and wanted to use it to heal, Harry would have to have the medical knowledge. My mistake.

No worries, I wasnt as clear as Id hoped. The main distinction I had in mind was comparing it to things like Cosmere healing (been spending time on the Brandon Sanderson subreddit) where healing more typically abotu pouring power in to the person which restores their bodies to it's former self based on some combination of platonic ideal and your own self-image. 

[peregrine]

If Harry were to try to heal someone, he probably would want to have the medical knowledge.  I don't know that I'd want Winter (or Summer, for that matter) making the decision in just HOW I'm healed.

[jonas]

Oh my... I just had a odd thought about butters and his newfound abilities... he knows the human body atl...