WAG.... Murphy has moved on

[groinkick]

Not all Mantles work the same.

We know for a fact that the Knight mantles do not work that way.

"Fact" is a strong word that should be used carefully.  In one case we have the Knight Mantle going to the Summer Lady, in another we have the Winter Knight Mantle not going to the Lady upon the death of the Winter Knight.  I don't think we know for a fact what exactly the Mantle does or why, only some strong evidence that it goes back to Winter/Summer.  Even Titania thought Winter had somehow stolen the Summer Knight Mantle, so we don't know how exactly it works.

[jonas]

"Fact" is a strong word that should be used carefully.  In one case we have the Knight Mantle going to the Summer Lady, in another we have the Winter Knight Mantle not going to the Lady upon the death of the Winter Knight.  I don't think we know for a fact what exactly the Mantle does or why, only some strong evidence that it goes back to Winter/Summer.  Even Titania thought Winter had somehow stolen the Summer Knight Mantle, so we don't know how exactly it works.

We don't, and do, Can't remember whom but someone said it goes back to the nearest reflection of itself... It being more or less a 'shadow' like Lasciel's, a bit connected directly to them, it would tend therefor to go back to one of them.... except if a greater mirror should exist that has not been identified. Though the table itself is kinda the cause of why the WK did not go to the lady or queen directly(which Mab was closer...)

[Ananda]

I think they’re a bad match to begin with. While she had her career, self esteem and so intact, she had no real interest. It was only after her self esteem, self worth, etc. was laid low that she changed her standards. I think she was quite correct with her initial assessment; that she and Dresden were a poor match. So, I think, if it follows how this sort of thing would go in reality, their relationship won’t last very long or be very healthy for her.

I think they’re both pretty difficult people, but looking at it from a woman’s point of view, Dresden is a terrible potential partner.

As for “powers” or whatnot, she should definitely stay a normal person. Not every character needs to be related somehow or be granted super powers. The narrative needs a normal person’s perspective.

[Dashkull]

I think they’re both pretty difficult people, but looking at it from a woman’s point of view, Dresden is a terrible potential partner.

I generally hate shipping threads, especially Murphy ones, but I am curious. I assume from your name you are a female, what about Harry makes you think he would be a terrible partner? Aside from the potential of putting his love interests in danger, since that would obviously scare a lot of real people away, but in the books it would not be something that Murphy would see as a negative.

[Arjan]

I think Karen's original accessement was correct for all the reasons she stated but her current accessment is correct as well. Harry has changed, Karen has changed, the world has changed and what both are looking for in a relation has changed.

And they are both older.

Family, children, stable life? they are all out of the picture but what they have is shared history and a very good understanding of each other. They are both older and there are a lot of things they can not share with anyone else. There are a lot of things they can not share with or explain to anyone else.

They can be each others emotional support. It can work out.

[Ananda]

I generally hate shipping threads, especially Murphy ones, but I am curious. I assume from your name you are a female, what about Harry makes you think he would be a terrible partner? Aside from the potential of putting his love interests in danger, since that would obviously scare a lot of real people away, but in the books it would not be something that Murphy would see as a negative.

Aesthetics and such aside, his life is a mess. He’s not even his own man anymore. What sort of relationship can people even have like that? One of settling and convenience, really. But as a real partner, Dresden isn’t able to offer much. In terms of just having some comfort or whatnot, he’d do for something casual if you were into his look and lifestyle. Then again, any nice looking guy who didn’t have expectations would be better for something casual as Dresden does have expectations while being completely unsuited to what he wants. In the future, if he survives and his life is his own again and no longer a shitshow, he might be a better candidate. Right now, though, his life is a disaster.

And, I’m not into “shipping” discussions, either. I don’t care who Dresden sleeps with. Was just commenting that this relationship seems doomed from a story point of view if it is realistic. Also, the name means “bliss” in sanskrit and so is just a word I like the look and sound of. It was the name of the buddha’s male relative, but can also be a female name. I am a woman, though, so that assumption was right.

[Mira]

I think Karen's original accessement was correct for all the reasons she stated but her current accessment is correct as well. Harry has changed, Karen has changed, the world has changed and what both are looking for in a relation has changed.

And they are both older.

Family, children, stable life? they are all out of the picture but what they have is shared history and a very good understanding of each other. They are both older and there are a lot of things they can not share with anyone else. There are a lot of things they can not share with or explain to anyone else.

They can be each others emotional support. It can work out.

They have changed and they are older, their lives have been turned upside down..  Yes, I agree that they love each other on many levels, but is that enough?   Reading the give and take between them the last couple of books says to me that they do not understand one another.  In my opinion Murphy wants the old Harry back, this is how she talks to him, this is what she bases her advice to him..  He is never coming back..  I also think that Harry has blinded himself to a lot that has happened to Murphy as well.

[raidem]

God. We need a new book.  Please don't allow Mr. Death to see the above.

[Arjan]

God. We need a new book.  Please don't allow Mr. Death to see the above.

It should be ok as long as nobody quotes false evidence. But actually Murphy and Harry understand each other quite well and sometimes better than they understand themselves.

I don't have to fabricate evidence for this. I have divine inspiration. MSTR told me.

But don't take my word for it. Read the whole series again and watch Mister and Mouse. They are in favor of this relationship. That should tell you enough.

[Mr. Death]

They have changed and they are older, their lives have been turned upside down..  Yes, I agree that they love each other on many levels, but is that enough?   Reading the give and take between them the last couple of books says to me that they do not understand one another.  In my opinion Murphy wants the old Harry back, this is how she talks to him, this is what she bases her advice to him..  He is never coming back..  I also think that Harry has blinded himself to a lot that has happened to Murphy as well.

[citation needed]

[Arjan]

[citation needed]

Karrin sat at the fire, staring in, a cup of coffee in her hands. Mouse sat beside her. When I came in, he looked over at me and started wagging his tail.

Mouse tries to bring positive energy into this relationship. Mark that Karen is normally afraid of dogs, this one is different.

[raidem]

Which book is that quote from?

[Arjan]

Which book is that quote from?

Cold days, the end. Harry wanted to hook up with Karen but Karen was not ready for it. If you watch Mouse during this scene it is obvious that he was totally in favor of it.

Actually Karen was right, Harry was not ready for it but the Harry in Skin Game has a better handle on himself.

[raidem]

Hmm... Mouse is trying to get Murphy and Harry together and he counts Mab as one of the good 'guys' to keep Harry alive in Zoo Day.

[Arjan]

Hmm... Mouse is trying to get Murphy and Harry together and he counts Mab as one of the good 'guys' to keep Harry alive in Zoo Day.

I am sure it fits nicely in your Mouse is Cerberos and Harry is Hades theory. :-)