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Offline groinkick

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Cowl is Justin reboot
« on: April 20, 2018, 04:05:50 AM »
If Jim did in fact drop some fake info out there I think it could be that Justin is D E D dead.  Me thinks that Justin is Cowl, and Kumori is Elaine. 

Stole this from Reginald because it was so well put, and is true for me as well.

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Re: Cowl is Justin reboot
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2018, 02:44:50 PM »
If Jim did in fact drop some fake info out there I think it could be that Justin is D E D dead.  Me thinks that Justin is Cowl, and Kumori is Elaine. 



I'm more a fan of the "Justin became Kemmler" theory, primarily due to this wording...

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2006 Buzzy Multimedia Interview: (first question on video)

Okay, I just wanna say I finished reading Proven Guilty  just a while ago and I have a real quick question before the serious interview:  “Justin’s behind everything, isn’t he?”
Justin’s dead…look, look…he’s dead, he’s dead.
Dead, dead?
Jim:  He’s dead!
Very dead?
Jim:  D-E-D dead.
Are you ever gonna change your answer, dead?
Jim:  Dead.
2010 Bitten by Books Q&A:
#245 “How dead is Kemmler? About as dead as Justin, maybe?”
Oh, at least that dead.

I know it's a stretch, but that wording is perfect.

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Re: Cowl is Justin reboot
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2018, 06:17:59 PM »
Actually, I think you are on to something.

It seemed like Evil Bob in Dead Beat believed Kemmler was going to come back.  Evil Bob even used some death magic on Harry prior to Harry rescinding his at leave privileges from the skull.  I believe Evil Bob, or at least the Bob's generically, may have a way to bring back Kemmler himself given opportunity. I could see Evil Bob potentially trying something on Justin.  And that he may have used his recently departed master (Justin) to open a way to Kemmler.

I do think we will see him again.  I actually would like to see him on Team Universe side though as an anti-Nemesis agent.  I wonder if Mab used him in some of her more nasty plans.
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Re: Cowl is Justin reboot
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2018, 01:32:36 AM »
Without reading glasses, I read this topic as “Cowl is Justin Robot.  I love the idea that Cowl is a Justin robot. It’s my new favourite theory.

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Re: Cowl is Justin reboot
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2018, 02:33:52 AM »
If Jim did in fact drop some fake info out there I think it could be that Justin is D E D dead.  Me thinks that Justin is Cowl, and Kumori is Elaine. 
Except that Kumori is dead, I know she's into necromancy and all, but she didn't really have time to prepare any tricks.
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Re: Cowl is Justin reboot
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2018, 05:20:03 AM »
Except that Kumori is dead, I know she's into necromancy and all, but she didn't really have time to prepare any tricks.

Imma need a big ol' bag of [citation needed] on Kumori being axed please

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Re: Cowl is Justin reboot
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2018, 01:19:02 AM »
I think Butcher made an off-handed comment about seeing her again; as if he forgot that she is "presumed dead."
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Re: Cowl is Justin reboot
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2018, 01:29:40 AM »
Last we see of Kumori is her getting hit by Bob/Sue which she could have survived, and then who knows where she went from there?

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Re: Cowl is Justin reboot
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2018, 01:33:16 AM »
She went to L.A. to resume her Elaine cover.
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Re: Cowl is Justin reboot
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2018, 01:39:39 PM »
I think Butcher made an off-handed comment about seeing her again; as if he forgot that she is "presumed dead."

Yeah, there's a WOJ along the lines of 'why kill her off right away when her identity can cause Harry pain later?'. That one is pretty foundational to the speculation on who she might be.

I don't think the T-rex even hit her - she turned tail and rain. Bob just assumed the explosion was big enough to get her.

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Re: Cowl is Justin reboot
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2018, 04:31:10 PM »
Hm, I went back and read that DeadBeat, and it appears that you are correct, there is no confirmation that Kumori is dead. In fact, her Master, Cowl, survived the collapsing vortex, which is supposed to be impossible. It makes sense that the apprentice a few feet away, in the same position "and probably league" as Harry would be able to survive.
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Re: Cowl is Justin reboot
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2018, 05:06:43 PM »
If Kumori was right there with Cowl, she probably would have had a poor chance of actually making it out alive.  Harry after all had a big undead T-rex shield.  But we have no idea where she is when everything goes to hell, she could have been long gone by that time.  With the NN being a thing, it only takes a moment to be safe from any kind of local destruction.

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Re: Cowl is Justin reboot
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2018, 05:14:17 PM »
Actually, the T-Rex shield was for Ramirez. And Kumori was more or less in the same place Harry way.
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Re: Cowl is Justin reboot
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2018, 05:25:18 PM »
Whoops, you're right, I forgot about that.  I should probably reread the series and get a refresher.

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Re: Cowl is Justin reboot
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2018, 05:51:01 PM »
With the NN being a thing, it only takes a moment to be safe from any kind of local destruction.

Slight tangent, but is it possible that the Darkhallow was strong enough to reach into the Nevernever?