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Have we already heard Susan's ghost?
« on: November 07, 2017, 03:45:01 PM »
Quote from:  Grave Peril, ch. 38, last page
"I love you," I said, or tried to say to Susan. "I love you." She pressed her mouth to mine. I think she was crying. "Hush,"" she said. "Harry. Hush. I love you, too." It was done. There was no more reason to hold on."

Quote from:  Changes, last page in the book
"Hush, now," whispered a woman's voice. It sounded familiar."

I've always thought it was Mab whispering those words in Changes, but if it was Mab, the above is a really big coincidence.

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Re: Have we already heard Susan's ghost?
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2017, 03:54:42 PM »
Interesting connection, but I'll stick with Mab having said it. 

Then again, it's possible that Mab could have used Susan's shade, but that doesn't make sense with the next 6-months.
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Re: Have we already heard Susan's ghost?
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2017, 04:11:43 PM »
I was thinking if it was Susan's shade (which I'm not entirely convinced myself, yet), that perhaps the spirit's purpose is to let Harry know Susan forgives him. That would explain why Susan's shade would be around Harry and whispering comforting words without the need to be directed to do so by Mab.

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Re: Have we already heard Susan's ghost?
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2017, 04:16:28 PM »
it certainly sounds more like something Susan would say as opposed to Mab, which what I'd always assumed.

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Re: Have we already heard Susan's ghost?
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2017, 04:18:21 PM »
I hadn't thought about it.

I'm not sure that Susan would have left a spirit behind, but it does seem more like Susan than Mab.

My take was that it was his Mom somehow.  In part because I would imagine that Susan's voice would be more than just "seeming familiar."

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Re: Have we already heard Susan's ghost?
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2017, 04:32:28 PM »
I hadn't thought about it.

I'm not sure that Susan would have left a spirit behind, but it does seem more like Susan than Mab.

My take was that it was his Mom somehow.  In part because I would imagine that Susan's voice would be more than just "seeming familiar."

Kind of like the hand holding in Storm Front near the Sell's house?
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Re: Have we already heard Susan's ghost?
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2017, 06:29:12 PM »
I often thought the vague but familar female voice was his mother, Maggie.
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Re: Have we already heard Susan's ghost?
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2017, 06:33:46 PM »
I often thought the vague but familar female voice was his mother, Maggie.

Wouldn't it have been mentioned when Harry heard her "recording" during his Soul Gaze with Thomas?
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Re: Have we already heard Susan's ghost?
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2017, 06:37:02 PM »
It would have been mentioned if Harry made the connection; he has a tendency not to make connections until the last moment.
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Re: Have we already heard Susan's ghost?
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2017, 07:07:46 PM »
True, but I'd have thought he'd have remembered that it sounded familiar.  You have to remember that he's NEVER heard his mom's voice, while Thomas has.
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Re: Have we already heard Susan's ghost?
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2017, 07:13:39 PM »
Hurray Susan!

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Re: Have we already heard Susan's ghost?
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2017, 07:52:18 PM »
Not to be a downer, but... do Reds leave ghosts? Susan turned before she died.

If they do leave ghosts... well, Harry's going to have an interesting (and short) life, considering he killed literally all of them, and those ghosts might have a grudge...

I will say that I don't think it was Mab. I don't think she would've done anything so nice as comfort him as he died; I'd imagine she was quite pissed. I'd buy Lea, though; she always seemed to care about him, in her way, and she knew about keeping him alive on Demonreach.

Maybe Bonnie? As an amalgam of Kim Delaney, Murphy, and Maggie, her voice would be familiar, but not, you know, readily identifiable, cuz it's a mix.

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Re: Have we already heard Susan's ghost?
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2017, 07:57:26 PM »
In part because I would imagine that Susan's voice would be more than just "seeming familiar."

That is a piece of evidence against it.  However, Harry was in the final moments of his death, so I'm not convinced he had the mental capacity to recognize anything beyond it "seeming familiar" no matter who was speaking.

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Re: Have we already heard Susan's ghost?
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2017, 08:35:17 PM »
Lea would be a good choice.
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Re: Have we already heard Susan's ghost?
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2017, 08:56:57 PM »
Not to be a downer, but... do Reds leave ghosts?
Personally, I don't think it was Susan's "ghost".  I'd guess it was her soul, if anything.

But honestly, I'm just waiting for Raidem to make the Mab/Murphy tie between Mab's presumed hush in Changes and Murphy's hush to Kincaid in SmF.

But for the sake of argument, Sheila/Lash tells Harry to hush in DB.