Was Ascher telling the truth?

[groinkick]

Hannah told Dresden about how she defended herself (from rapists I think?), and then from the Wardens who came after her.  However she was holding a Coin of the great deceiver who had intimate knowledge of a Harry Dresden.  #1.  He wants to rescue women.  #2.  He understands using lethal magic in self defense #3.  He understands what it's like to have the Council breathing down your neck.  I have to ask if she was being honest with Harry, or if she was simply manipulating him per Lasciel's input.

What say you?

[TheCuriousFan]

I say autocorrect messed with your title.

Though I think she was telling the truth and that's part of why she was picked for Lasciel's coin.

[pcpoet]

I don't think she has received the coin yet.   there is a definite change in personality of Hannah between  Hannah first arriving at the wherehouse  staging area for the assault on marcone's bank vault and when Michael replaced murphy as Dresden's + 1.

[khadgar4606]

I don't think she has received the coin yet.   there is a definite change in personality of Hannah between  Hannah first arriving at the wherehouse  staging area for the assault on marcone's bank vault and when Michael replaced murphy as Dresden's + 1.

yeah you dont suddenly get guts to go buck naked in front of your team mates. aka she deffinetly get coin during the preparation of heist

[wardenferry419]

Her history and gender were maybe factors in Nico hiring her. Play on Dresden's weaknesses.

[Mr. Death]

yeah you dont suddenly get guts to go buck naked in front of your team mates. aka she deffinetly get coin during the preparation of heist

The way she talks about Lasciel and the Denarians, it has to have been way more time than that. She talks about them finding her and accepting her and giving her a new home... that's not something that happens in a day and a half.

[RobReece]

The way she talks about Lasciel and the Denarians, it has to have been way more time than that. She talks about them finding her and accepting her and giving her a new home... that's not something that happens in a day and a half.

I agree, I think Harry had it pegged pretty good when he said that she'd probably had the coin for a few weeks.  but that doesn't mean that she wasn't telling the truth.

[peregrine]

I doubt she made it up entirely.  It's a poor liar who makes stuff up that can be easily fact checked like that.

[Mira]

I agree, I think Harry had it pegged pretty good when he said that she'd probably had the coin for a few weeks.  but that doesn't mean that she wasn't telling the truth.

I think she was very much telling the truth.  She killed with magic her rapists and the Wardens wanted to arrest her and ultimately behead her for being a warlock.  This made her run, this made her bitter against the White Council.  She wasn't wrong there, the same fate was waiting for young Harry save he had a unknown grandfather in high places who was willing to defend him and stand with him under the Doom... When she fled she then went among the half turned vamp resistance and made many friends... Problem there was when Harry ended the Red Court, those half turned became mere humans once more and those who were very old simply died of old age, she felt isolated and it made her bitter towards Harry.. This made her very vulnerable to be tempted by someone like Nic, who along with Laciel saw a perfect opportunity for revenge..   

[Griffyn612]

I say autocorrect messed with your title.

Hold on... Let me just...

What say you?

I say she was telling the truth... from a certain point of view.

[wardenferry419]

Hold on... Let me just...

I say she was telling the truth... from a certain point of view.

Ha! That was my first thought as well.

[groinkick]

I say autocorrect messed with your title.

Haha no, I was working from memory and forgot her last name lol.


Hannah had the Coin for a while I think.  The fireball that she had incredible control over killing the Fomor goons needed incredible control, and I believe Jim said that Lasciel was what gave her that precision.

[Mira]

Haha no, I was working from memory and forgot her last name lol.


Hannah had the Coin for a while I think.  The fireball that she had incredible control over killing the Fomor goons needed incredible control, and I believe Jim said that Lasciel was what gave her that precision.

All that says is she had the Coin post Changes...  So she still could be telling the truth..

[dspringer1]

I would argue that she is telling the truth.   After all, it is the fuel for her rage as demonstrated at the last fight.   You cannot get made like that over a lie you are telling your enemies. 

The other argument is story wise.  A strong theme in this series is that the white council is failing.   Not able to identify and protect young wizards is just another sign of this.  Not being able to identify when one was wronged and fix with justice is another.   Ascher is a poster child for the white council's failures. 

Having it all be lies adds nothing to the story and steals away drama.  So it must be the truth. 

[Snark Knight]

Personally, my take on it is Lasciel was torquing her anger way too hard for her to be strategic about trying to lie her way into Harry's sympathies. She just wanted to burn him down on the spot, and was confident she could overpower him in a straight fight.

I mean, she was too stupidly overaggressive to even bring a shield spell to the fight. Deceptive head games seems like it would take another tier of clear thinking beyond what she already failed to show.