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Re: Invoking your own consequences?
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2013, 07:52:42 PM »
I'm kind of fuzzy on the idea of using a roll to determine a consequence that you're inflicting on a willing person. I mean, if you need a little bloodletting to power a ritual, does a high roll mean you accidentally gut yourself instead?
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Re: Invoking your own consequences?
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2013, 08:05:37 PM »
I'm kind of fuzzy on the idea of using a roll to determine a consequence that you're inflicting on a willing person. I mean, if you need a little bloodletting to power a ritual, does a high roll mean you accidentally gut yourself instead?
if it requires so much blood that it's anything more than flavoring or a declairation?  I would say it's possible to accidentally go to far as harm yourself.  Though honestly that's probably better modeled as a compel on an aspect for the ritual.

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Re: Invoking your own consequences?
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2013, 09:33:32 PM »
Maybe it's just semantics, but would the wording "make a roll to create or gain access to an aspect" be important?  When taking a consequence to super charge a spell you never actually roll anything to create said consequence, possibly implying "no roll = no free tag".

Um, yeah. I was just saying that.

It would have to be 'make a roll or spend a FP to discover or create an aspect' so as to account for declarations.

You could argue that there's no tag on FP Declarations, actually.

I wouldn't, personally, but you could make that argument.

I'll have to check the rulebook, because I was fairly sure the use of the term "navel gazing" meant that it was basically a no-difficulty, if it makes sense go ahead, type of maneuver.

There is still a roll. Page 207 is clear on that, though it does mention that the roll is likely to be easy.

I could by that, even if one is jumping to stress tracks - I could also see some GM's wanting a roll involved if it's power drawn from the physical stress track or tags as a result of consequence.

That would be a houserule and not a very well-thought-out one.

The rules are pretty clear on how you fuel spells with consequences. There's no rolling involved, and there's no good reason to get rolling involved.

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Re: Invoking your own consequences?
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2013, 09:37:33 PM »
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Re: Invoking your own consequences?
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2013, 04:41:11 PM »
It would have to be 'make a roll or spend a FP to discover or create an aspect' so as to account for declarations.
How so?
NGMs are effected by means of a roll.  They're not free aspects.
I admit up front what I'm about to say is pretty sketchy, so bare with me.  It is mildly implied that you always make a roll with declairations, even when you don't.  IIRC you don't have to decide to use a FP on a declairation until after you make the roll (and fail).  This again sort of implies that there's never a reason to NOT try and roll first.  Any situation where you don't roll would mean you couldn't succeed on the roll even with a +4, thus it's basically an automatic fail and you're spending a FP to pass it.

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Re: Invoking your own consequences?
« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2013, 10:47:19 PM »
Sanctaphrax said it, navel gazing maneuvers still require a roll.

Additionally though they can be opposed.  YS has an example of someone picking a lock during a gun fight.  The attempt to put the maneuver on himself to have better concentration or something gets opposed by a block from someone shooting at him.