Sponsor Debt for non-spellcasters?

[Tedronai]

ALL characters are assumed to have access to Sponsor Debt whenever, wherever, and however often they can access appropriate thematic justification.
Something that solely represents access to such thematic justification is not worth refresh.
It is worth just about one permanent aspect having an appropriate component.  And that's it.

[Hick Jr]

Isn't being able to take "debt" something you can do even sans Sponsor? Like, with the GM?

Maybe i'm just crazy.

[Tedronai]

Isn't being able to take "debt" something you can do even sans Sponsor? Like, with the GM?

Maybe i'm just crazy.

It is.
You're not.

[Hick Jr]

Whew.

Hear that, sock weasel? I'm not crazy.

And on a second note, would you be interested in playing in the Semi-Divine Comedy? Two spots just opened up.

[Sanctaphrax]

Doesn't make much sense to me to treat the +2 Refresh as a thematic thing. Father Forthill is narratively as mortal as Murphy, but he doesn't get the +2 Refresh.

The mortal bonus is a mechanical distinction, not a narrative one.

However, that's only temprarily. If you desire to have permanent well of Sponser Debt, you kinda do give up Pure Mortal status.

Well, it's not really permanent. It ends when you die.

How long do you have to get supernatural help to make you not mortal? A year? Ten years? A lifetime?

[Hick Jr]

Quintinius Verginix up there has a point. Murph has arguably been getting supernatural help in the form of a pyromaniac wizard for at least a decade, and she's inarguably mortal.

[Lavecki121]

I doubt that Murphy is taking sponsor debt whenever she has Harry help her

[Hick Jr]

No, she isn't, but that isn't my point. My point is that supernatural aid or being able to draw on supernatural aid doesn't make you a supernatural being.

[Deadmanwalking]

The whole True Faith list of Stunts would seem to beg to differ...

[Hick Jr]

Hmm. I could argue that the True Faith powers are simply your own faith being expressed, but i'll concede.

The ability to take sponsor debt isn't worth refresh. Depending on the sponsor, it might be reasonable for it to cancel out the Pure Mortal bonus, however.

[Tedronai]

The ability to take sponsor debt isn't worth refresh. Depending on the sponsor, it might be reasonable for it to cancel out the Pure Mortal bonus, however.

It might sometimes provide narrative justification (and conversely, sometimes not), but the mechanical balance analysis still solidly says 'no'.

[Deadmanwalking]

It might sometimes provide narrative justification (and conversely, sometimes not), but the mechanical balance analysis still solidly says 'no'.

Which is why I would generally say you should have some power tied to it if you're gonna have it long-term (I like Marked By Power for this).

[Lavecki121]

And why would that be. The ability to draw on points that you don't have seems like a solid thing to lose the pure mortal bonus for.not only that but for it to happen you would narratively have to be aligned with a sponsor. If that's the case then there should be no +0 powers. Wizard constitution is probably never going to come up during the course of the game, in fact that is stated in the power, but taking this power drops your pure mortal bonus.

[Hick Jr]

For a sponsor where you don't lose your Pure Mortal bonus? The Chicago Police Department.

Take a point of sponsor debt to boost a Resources roll to bribe a drug dealer for information.
Take a point of sponsor debt to boost a Guns roll, reflecting your extensive training.
Take a point of sponsor debt to boost a Driving roll, reflecting your training in agressive driving and car chases.

It's a -0 power because that should really be covered by a High Concept and going into debt with the GM.

[Deadmanwalking]

For a sponsor where you don't lose your Pure Mortal bonus? The Chicago Police Department.

This is definitively not RAW...I seriously doubt it's RAI either. I might well still allow it in some game, though.