Relations between Summer Court and Black Court

[polkaneverdies]

Strong indications in the book point to blamps not being part of the accords.

[AstralBlade]

I definitely agree that the Black Court is pretty much antithetical to the Summer Court. The BC is pretty much death and decay. The fact that they are living dead does nothing to dispel this notion.

As far as backlash from the Accords i doubt that is going to be much of a problem considering the BC can't retaliate, since you know they'll be gone and will not have an arbitrator to complain or lodge a complaint with. I kind of see the Accords like the Drow society in Forgotten realms, it is largely to prevent large scale free for all wars that would leave the earth a smoking ruin. If the said faction is taken out cleanly and smoothly i cant see anyone sticking their own necks out to call foul-play.

For example, in Grave Peril

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Harry ultimately kills Bianca, and Ortega is there as a witness. Harry still ends up being responsible for Bianca's death without a doubt. The Signatories don't all get together to wipe out the White Council. They simply go to war, yes each side has their allies but largely it is between the Red Court and White Council

Also in Death Masks,

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When it is later found out that Ortega cheated, the Signatories of the Accords don't declare war on the Red Court and attempt to punish them. Eb decides to just drop a satellite on them.

Finally, in Small Favor,

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When the Denerians kidnap THE ARCHIVE...THE ARCHIVE. Direct assault on a Signatory who was acting as an arbiter. After The Archive escapes the Signatories don't launch a manhunt for Nicky and the Nickelheads, its up to Ivy to secure her own retribution

So in short, Yea, wipe them out. The only repercussion i can forsee are those dealing with your own Court, if Titiana did not want them wiped out or something but i highly doubt she cares.

In any case it always results altercations between the two participating parties.

Dead men tell no tales...or rather dead vampires

[Magickal_Grenadier]

So in short, Yea, wipe them out. The only repercussion i can forsee are those dealing with your own Court, if Titiana did not want them wiped out or something but i highly doubt she cares

In addition in Cold Days.

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Titiana is revealed to be in a very diseased mental state from the death of Aurora. I doubt she's in any condition to take any real action.

[Deadmanwalking]

In addition in Cold Days.

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Titiana is revealed to be in a very diseased mental state from the death of Aurora. I doubt she's in any condition to take any real action.

Uh...no. Just no.

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No she isn't. She's entirely coherent, and smart as a whip. She's personally upset with Harry, but hardly 'diseased', and certainly capable of effective and reasonable action on matters not involving the man who murdered her daughter. Her reaction to Harry isn't entirely rational, but the mere fact she doesn't kill him, and even gives him as much helpful advice as she can, is indicative that she's still very much together.

[narphoenix]

Although, if CD is any indication, vamps are basically seen as cockroaches by the fae, seeing as

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when Harry talked about stamping out the Red Court in Cold Days, the Red Cap said something along the lines of "Yes, you are a great exterminator."

So, Titania just might not care about the Black Court.

[Dr.FunLove]

To further's Narphoenix point - even if the fae is crazed or morally depraved they still hold humans in a place of value (reproduction, amusement, etc); vampires have no value to them and they actively de-value humanity (eat them, turn them, etc). So there might be a bit of a compettion factor there as well in the supernatural ecosystem of the Dresden-verse.

@Deadmanwalking

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I really did love Titania in that moment. I was sort of hoping she would smite Harry right there. Too bad my faerie in our game HATES her or else I could beautiful things happening.

[narphoenix]

@Dr and Deadman: Oh I see beautiful things happening regardless...

[Dr.FunLove]

@Narphoenix
Glad to see your zeal is spilling out into other threads Nar 

[Magickal_Grenadier]

Uh...no. Just no.

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No she isn't. She's entirely coherent, and smart as a whip. She's personally upset with Harry, but hardly 'diseased', and certainly capable of effective and reasonable action on matters not involving the man who murdered her daughter. Her reaction to Harry isn't entirely rational, but the mere fact she doesn't kill him, and even gives him as much helpful advice as she can, is indicative that she's still very much together.

I must be more tired than I thought... My bad.

[Lavecki121]

I will say what I said in the other thread. Just kill em all and by all I mean the bcv, there is nothing doing your character from dropping a fire nuke into the grave

[Magickal_Grenadier]

I will say what I said in the other thread. Just kill em all and by all I mean the bcv, there is nothing doing your character from dropping a fire nuke into the grave

Seems to be the default action in the Dresdenverse. Kill it with fire! BOOM!

[Dr.FunLove]

I actually am enjoying the fact that this is causing tension among your PC's. The players seem to be playing as their characters not as players who are running a character. Ultimately it MIGHT be in everyone's best interest to kill The Rukh but emotions are getting away from people.

It makes for interesting stories and better games.

[Deadmanwalking]

I actually am enjoying the fact that this is causing tension among your PC's. The players seem to be playing as their characters not as players who are running a character. Ultimately it MIGHT be in everyone's best interest to kill The Rukh but emotions are getting away from people.

It makes for interesting stories and better games.

I agree with this. I disagree with the GM's seeming reactions, though. those smack of the exact opposite - putting the fact that it's a game over the legitimate interests of the characters. Especially the prohibition on inter-PC conflict.

[Dr.FunLove]

Too true Deadmanwalking.

[Tarion]

Honestly, I don't buy the idea that the Summer Court would be opposed to genocide.
 
They're about growth and progress sure, but they don't seem to hold reverence for any particular species.  To quote Bob in Summer Knight

"A war [between the Courts] could start the next ice age, or set off an era of rampant growth."
"That last one doesn't sound so bad."
"No. Not if you're an Ebola virus. You'll have lots of friends."

The idea that every species matters is a distinctly human one, and I doubt the Summer Sidhe care.  They're not conservationists.  In fact, if anything, that would fall under the kinder aspects of Winter - Stasis. 

If a species, such as the Black Court, is no longer suited to it's environment, it's natural that it will be supplanted by more powerful, better suited creatures.  The Black Court is an evolutionary dead end, and the sooner they're cleared away, the sooner new life can replace them. 

And that's even if you accept "undead" as a form of life, which I don't think is necessarily justified in the Dresden Files.