[CD spoilers] Cowl = Simon reference thread

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So what happens if you cast a Death Curse while you are under the effect of a "ward off death" spell?

Have we seen any examples of "ward of death" spells? Do they even exist? If they exist than why don't more people use them instead of relying on shields and enchanted items for protection?

[madness]

So what happens if you cast a Death Curse while you are under the effect of a "ward off death" spell?

Not sure what you mean.

Are you suggesting that Kumori kept him 'not dead' like she did for Marcone's thug?  I guess that is possible but it makes the casting of death curses a little less likely, IMO, and also takes away some of the potential fun of letting us see a partially botched necromantic resurrection.

I wonder what would happen if you used necromancy to make his dead body a homunculus for either his soul or his ghost?  Basically zombie his body but then dump his soul/ghost back into it.  It would probably allow him to retain his skill and power magically speaking (instead of having to relearn it like Luccio and Corpsetaker had to do after their body switching) and the use of a soul (or a ghost spirit) might work as a power source for the zombie body (allowing it to exist permanently and without a drummer or a beat to follow).

The way I had it playing out in my head is that Simon DID die (and cast his death curse) at Archangel (and he possibly took one or more death curses there as well...either from the traitor or because he WAS the traitor) and that Kumori escaped with his body and either brought him back herself or made a deal with the Kemmlerites to bring him back (thus explaining his providing aid to them during the run up to the Dark Hallow).

[madness]

Have we seen any examples of "ward of death" spells? Do they even exist? If they exist than why don't more people use them instead of relying on shields and enchanted items for protection?

After thinking about it a bit I think that he might be referencing what Kumori did to ward off the death of Marcone's goon long enough for the paramedics to arrive.

[knnn]

After thinking about it a bit I think that he might be referencing what Kumori did to ward off the death of Marcone's goon long enough for the paramedics to arrive.

^yup^

I'm also thinking about those uber-ghouls in the Deeps.  Sure, they had super healing power, but drops of blood coming together and reforming is a little much.  Instead, what if there was a "ward off death" spell cast on them, keeping them alive until their natural healing powers could kick in.

[madness]

^yup^

I'm also thinking about those uber-ghouls in the Deeps.  Sure, they had super healing power, but drops of blood coming together and reforming is a little much.  Instead, what if there was a "ward off death" spell cast on them, keeping them alive until their natural healing powers could kick in.

Anything is possible but the way that the scene is written it doesn't seem so odd that they are like sabretooth tigers, direwolves, giant short-faced bears or malks - ancient and mythologically powerful versions of modern killers.

Regular ghouls have incredible healing powers and the Red King basically did something similar when Harry amputated his arm.  So none of the abilities displayed by the super ghouls is really unprecedented - the strength of their powers is just amplified.

[Ms Duck]

Anything is possible but the way that the scene is written it doesn't seem so odd that they are like sabretooth tigers, direwolves, giant short-faced bears or malks - ancient and mythologically powerful versions of modern killers.

Regular ghouls have incredible healing powers and the Red King basically did something similar when Harry amputated his arm.  So none of the abilities displayed by the super ghouls is really unprecedented - the strength of their powers is just amplified.

I figured it was a call out of sorts to the classic troll, which can only be killed by fire. everythign else heals in minutes

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I figured it was a call out of sorts to the classic troll, which can only be killed by fire. everythign else heals in minutes

Yeah, the whole "proto-creature from the dawn of time and darkest depths of human memory" vibe really suited the super ghouls. 

Since multiple sources indicate that there is an almost endless amount of odd places/creatures in the Nevernever and since we mostly only see those that are close to the mortal world (and only a small portion of those even) I never really had any reason to look any deeper into the origins of the super ghouls.

I do really hope that we find out how in the hell Cowl managed contact and control such ancient powerful creatures though.  Eb pulling the Kenku out of his arse is the only other example we have of wizards summoning or leading really exotic and cool beings from the Nevernever.

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Yeah, the whole "proto-creature from the dawn of time and darkest depths of human memory" vibe really suited the super ghouls. 

Since multiple sources indicate that there is an almost endless amount of odd places/creatures in the Nevernever and since we mostly only see those that are close to the mortal world (and only a small portion of those even) I never really had any reason to look any deeper into the origins of the super ghouls.

I do really hope that we find out how in the hell Cowl managed contact and control such ancient powerful creatures though.  Eb pulling the Kenku out of his arse is the only other example we have of wizards summoning or leading really exotic and cool beings from the Nevernever.

What about Binder? the minions he summoned weren't that powerful but (IMO) were certainly exotic and cool.

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There was also the guy who summoned the spiders on the island.

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We also mustn't forget the demon Victor Sells summoned.

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All of those seem like random "summon a known demon or common minions from Faerie" types of things though.

Not "I saved some Sidhe noble's ass 200 years ago so he hooked me with a private army" things.

[wizard nelson]

haven't seen this in any threads yet so i was wondering if anyone made the connection between cowl having ghouls at his beck and call and the ghouls showing at luccio's boot camp? which iirc was known by a very limited number of people, none of which was a dead wizard named simon i'd have to look but a woj says cowls super ghouls and why he'd have command of them was important.

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

haven't seen this in any threads yet so i was wondering if anyone made the connection between cowl having ghouls at his beck and call and the ghouls showing at luccio's boot camp? which iirc was known by a very limited number of people, none of which was a dead wizard named simon

If Simon were Cowl, why would he not have access to information via Peabody ?

[wizard nelson]

If Simon were Cowl, why would he not have access to information via Peabody ?

peabody wasn't on that list...

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

peabody wasn't on that list...

Not officially, no, but it's made clear in TC that Peabody has had access to all this sort of paperwork and nobody's ever thought to mention it.  They seem to think of him as barely more than a photocopier and filing system.