[CD spoilers] Cowl = Simon reference thread

[Second Aristh]

How does him doing all the hard work make him a kemmlerite? He could simply be a normal wizard using necromancy.

I'm really really sure Corpsetaker isn't SC level. Heck, in GS MOLLY was able to hold her off for a pretty significant amount of time. Remember that mind magic is Corpsetakers speciality and we know that SC wizards are super awesome in their areas of speciality (Eb is a direct combat specialist and he was able to cause a freakin earthquake. The Merlin is a ward specialist and he was able to create a ward that held of the ENTIRE Red Court (If I'm remembering correctly) ). Molly should have been squished in an instant. 

We saw that Grevane was charging into battle against Corpsetaker (and she against him) so they clearly thought they could beat each other.

Well, if Cowl is complaining about always doing the hard work, he's also implying some level of cooperation with the other Kemmlerites.  Whether or not Cowl was lying is debatable, but you would have to explain why Cowl felt the urge to lie.  My copy of DB is not with me at the moment, but doesn't Cowl say that they "play nice" but are always looking to stab each other in the back to be Kemmler's favorite?

Corpsetaker was also confident in taking on (older & scarier) Luccio and the other wardens.  Besides, Molly wasn't Corpsetaker's first opponent that night.  She had already stalled Harry with shields, taken over Butters, and put the rest of the crew to sleep.  A few more moments and Corpsetaker would have steamrolled over Molly too.

At the very least, Corpsetaker and Grevane are at Morgan's level, and in TC Harry said that Eb (the combat specialist) was one of the few that had a good chance of bringing Morgan in.

[Ms Duck]

id put grevane and corpsteaker at SC level, if not merlin or eb level. both, in there own ways, kicked major arse.

Kemmler was arguably the strongets wizard of the last millenia. HIs 'council members' were likely to match.

[wizard nelson]

id put grevane and corpsteaker at SC level, if not merlin or eb level. both, in there own ways, kicked major arse.

Kemmler was arguably the strongets wizard of the last millenia. HIs 'council members' were likely to match.

none of them had the knowledge in the word though. presumably how to add power by eating shades an what not.

[Ms Duck]

none of them had the knowledge in the word though. presumably how to add power by eating shades an what not.

im not sure grevane and co were the strongest members of Kemmler's group.. more like the ones who survived.

 

[wizard nelson]

im not sure grevane and co were the strongest members of Kemmler's group.. more like the ones who survived.

 

eh? you'd think survival of the fittest?

[Ms Duck]

eh? you'd think survival of the fittest?

its war.

survival of the luckiest.

that, and i suspect the SC went after the ehaviest targets in person and let the wardens do the lesser clean up..easier to get away from.

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

its war.
survival of the luckiest.
that, and i suspect the SC went after the ehaviest targets in person and let the wardens do the lesser clean up..easier to get away from.

Ducky dear, if you apply this logic to the Kemmlerites (with which I am entirely in agreement), would you not apply it to the Black Court also ?

[wizard nelson]

Ducky dear, if you apply this logic to the Kemmlerites (with which I am entirely in agreement), would you not apply it to the Black Court also ?

ohhh dissed on your theory...

[Ms Duck]

Ducky dear, if you apply this logic to the Kemmlerites (with which I am entirely in agreement), would you not apply it to the Black Court also ?

probably.

the difference is the black court are extra extra crispy immortal... even a nomral black court master (by the lore) can only be killed at their own grave at dawn... any other damage is simply healed the next night at dusk when they reform.

ive heard many a person here snark about how 'weak' the bC are, that all you need is some garlic or holy water to take one down..

its keeping them down thats hard. 

I allways believed that the BC Elders were imprisoned someplace, or had been put down in a way that they cant get back up normaly. I allways believed it had something to do with demonreach.. but what i wasnt sure.

Now , we know where they are.

 

this isnt a checkov's gun, its a checkov's tactical nuke.

[wizard nelson]

i don't remember were i posted it first, but i found support for my outergates= immortal hell theory. in DB when harry talks to wardens at macs he internal dialogs that the old evil gods were banished there and outsiders are their agents if anyone thinks this good start a thread or put in index for me? i gotta sleep...

oh and signs point to donald morgan knowing what mac is A) he knew donalds first name B) morgan is careful to skip over him with his sight

[knnn]

the difference is the black court are extra extra crispy immortal... even a nomral black court master (by the lore) can only be killed at their own grave at dawn... any other damage is simply healed the next night at dusk when they reform.

Huh?

Wasn't one-ear a "Master Vampire"?  Harry burns off his ear in the first encounter, and he doesn't seem to have grown it back by the next night.

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

Wasn't one-ear a "Master Vampire"?  Harry burns off his ear in the first encounter, and he doesn't seem to have grown it back by the next night.

I don't think so; the only one I am sure was referred to as a master is whatshername from the Thomas' birthday short story, and I think probably Mavra.

[knnn]

I don't think so; the only one I am sure was referred to as a master is whatshername from the Thomas' birthday short story, and I think probably Mavra.

The conversation with Lara seemed to imply he was going to turn her to a BC.  Isn't that enough to be considered?

[Ms Duck]

yep. we only have two masters..and the one in the short story was a baby.

Now Mavra is either very very good with veils.. or she can body jump... or she thingks napalm comined with explosives is a 'minor nuisance' not worth bothering about.

or all three.

im going by dracula/ carmilla here... I dont know why the white court would pund that stipulation in unless it had some bearing.

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

The conversation with Lara seemed to imply he was going to turn her to a BC.  Isn't that enough to be considered?

I don't read it that way; when he says she'll still be pretty for a while, I thought that worked as "strong White Court vampires can survive hanging in the larder feeding Black Court vampires for quite some time, which will be horribly painful, before dying."