DR in Dead Beat

[Albion]

Sorry if this has been discussed here before, I've searched the web and couldn't find any mention of it and thought this would be a good place to ask.

In Chapter 11 of Dead Beat Harry has a dream where he see's his Dad, He describes he's in a forest with pine and can smell that he's near a lake. He doesn't recognize the forest but it feels really familiar to him. Is it possible that this is one of the first references to Demonreach?

[FFguy]

Given Butcher's love of dropping little nuggets like that, it could very well be.

[KevinSig]

Another possible connection...  In Small Favor, Luccio states that there was a Dark Ley Line, under Sue's museum.  I got the impression they were separate, but if not, it might be a bad thing.

Since, didn't the Gatekeeper warn about drawing power from DR's LL?  Even if somewhat diluted, from distance from the source, I'd think it might have some of those changing effects the Gatekeeper warned about.

[madness]

The Ley line under the museum is a different (necromantic, IIRC) dark ley line than the ley line that is springing from DR.

Luccio's map shows that there are several significant ley lines in the area.

[Serack]

Sorry if this has been discussed here before, I've searched the web and couldn't find any mention of it and thought this would be a good place to ask.

In Chapter 11 of Dead Beat Harry has a dream where he see's his Dad, He describes he's in a forest with pine and can smell that he's near a lake. He doesn't recognize the forest but it feels really familiar to him. Is it possible that this is one of the first references to Demonreach?

This.  Is an awesome first post.

[KevinSig]

This.  Is an awesome first post.

And now I want to reconsider if Malcolm might have been talking about Demonreach, instead of Lash.  I mean it is possible, considering how vague he was.

[Serack]

Here's the description of the woods in the dream.  I'll snip out the parts that aren't about the environment and the "Jabberwock"

I dreamed almost immediately.  Threatening trees.  Mostly evergreens, rose up around a small glade.  In its center a modest, neat campfire sparked and crackled.  I could smell a lake somewhere nearby, moss and flowers and dead fish blending in with the scent of mildewed pine.  The air was cold enough to make me shiver, and I hunched a little closer to the fire, but even so I felt like my back was to a glacier.  From somewhere overhead came the wild, honking screams of migrating geese under a crescent moon.  I didn't recognize the place, but it somehow seemed perfectly familiar.
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There was a rushing sound out in the woods, and I saw the tops of several trees swaying in succession as something, something big, moved among them.  From tree to tree, the unseen threat moved, circling the little glade.
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"You know what it is.  You know what it wants."
I swallowed.  "The demon."
He nodded, blue eyes on mine.

By the way, I want to point out that his father expounds on a theme that Eb and Uriel also make a big deal about in Changes and GS.

"You are a product of your own choices, Harry, and nothing can change that.  Don't let anyone or anything tell you otherwise."
"But...my choices haven't always been very good," I said.
"Whose have?"

I'd like to use that as evidence towards "Malcolm" being a benevolent entity.

[Ms Duck]

Sorry if this has been discussed here before, I've searched the web and couldn't find any mention of it and thought this would be a good place to ask.

In Chapter 11 of Dead Beat Harry has a dream where he see's his Dad, He describes he's in a forest with pine and can smell that he's near a lake. He doesn't recognize the forest but it feels really familiar to him. Is it possible that this is one of the first references to Demonreach?

y'know, i never thoguth of that.

Congradulations, you win one Duck point

[Tarion]

You know when you realise something so obvious that you hate yourself for not getting it sooner?

... Yeah.

I didn't recognize the place, but it somehow seemed perfectly familiar.

Absolutely sealed it for me.  That's too obvious a parallel for it to be a coincidence. 

[OZ]

I like this idea. I really need to reread the series. It's been a while.

[Albion]

One of the beautiful things about going back I think. Little things which at the time didn't mean anything suddenly come flashing into focus. I'm going to keep an eye out for any more things like this.

Thanks for the Kind words and Duck Points ^^

[Second Aristh]

Serack's quote mentions Harry feeling like his back was against a glacier.  Just wanted to point out that Demonreach's limp was caused by a glacier.

Can you tell us more about the runes on the cottage and the lighthouse?
They were not put there by Demonreach; they have been there a very long time.  They are pre-Council.  They’re a prehistoric script, actually.  Harry could have figured out the script if he’d had the comic book. NOTE: I think this has something to do with runes on a wall in Under City seen in Welcome to the Jungle

Also, people have a few things wrong about the Gatekeeper and the island.  The Gatekeeper did not hurt Demonreach.  Gatekeeper has been on the island a couple of times, and it’s never gone well, but he didn’t cause Demonreach’s limp.  That’s the work of the glacier that carved out Lake Michigan.

So, just wondering, was the glacier in question related to Mab perhaps?  Or am I just reading too much into things?

Btw, nice catch Albion, and welcome to the forums!

[madness]

It seems pretty likely that an Ice Age was related to Mab (unless it somehow happened before the Sidhe had taken control of faerie).

Doesn't mean that it was intentional or personal though.

The exchanges between Mab and DR in GS don't seem to feature much personal antagonism.  Just two massively powerful, arrogant and non-human entities growling at each other.