Reference: X compared to Y = possible Discrepancy?

[Mr. Death]

Thomas also refers to it as crossing over--he might not be able to open a full-blown rift capable of transporting more than one or two people at a time. I wouldn't be surprised if he was limited to just transitioning himself and maybe one or two people he's in physical contact with, without a "portal" opening at all.

[Tami Seven]

Thomas also refers to it as crossing over--he might not be able to open a full-blown rift capable of transporting more than one or two people at a time. I wouldn't be surprised if he was limited to just transitioning himself and maybe one or two people he's in physical contact with, without a "portal" opening at all.

Maybe, though we haven't actually seen him do it yet. Then again,  it seems that someone had to get Dresden’s Army into the NeverNever in WN, and I think Harry was too busy to do it himself. If so, then the only other person there able to do it would have been Thomas. 

[Quantus]

Sounds about right.  Though Im still curious if he could open a way to that strip club because it was a place of Lust, or because it was Club Zero and thus was where he met Justine.

"Thomas," I said. "He's a vampire, and they have the ability to cross into the Nevernever at certain places."

"What kind of places?" Molly asked.

"Places that are, ah," I said, "important to them. Relevant to them in a particular way."

"Places of lust, you mean," Molly said.

I coughed and ate more cereal. "Yeah. And places where significant things have happened to them. In Thomas's case, he was nearly sacrificed by a cult of porn-star sorceresses in those caves a few years a—"

"I'm sorry," Molly said, interrupting. "But it sounded like you said 'cult of porn-star sorceresses.'"

"Yeah," I said.

"Oh," she said, giving me a skeptical look. "Sorry, then. Keep going."

"Anyway. He nearly died there, so I knew he could find it again. He led Marcone and Murphy there, and they were camped out, waiting for me to open a gate."

[Mr. Death]

Sounds about right.  Though Im still curious if he could open a way to that strip club because it was a place of Lust, or because it was Club Zero and thus was where he met Justine.

I don't think Thomas would refer to Club Zero as a "gentleman's club" and "one of the finest in town." Not with anything like a straight face, anyway.

[Tami Seven]

I don't think Thomas would refer to Club Zero as a "gentleman's club" and "one of the finest in town." Not with anything like a straight face, anyway.

I suspect Thomas does have a certain amount of control over that kind of thing. The Gentleman's Club was probably the Tamest place in Chicago that he could get both himself and Michael to. Tame being a relative concept.

[Quantus]

I don't think Thomas would refer to Club Zero as a "gentleman's club" and "one of the finest in town." Not with anything like a straight face, anyway.

Keep in mind this was way before BR, when he was still playing the Clueless Fop.  And Michael's description was a "fleshpit" and a "A house of sin!" And from a certain perspective Club Zero is the finest in town, in the sense that it is the pinnacle of its particular purpose. 

[Mr. Death]

Keep in mind this was way before BR, when he was still playing the Clueless Fop.  And Michael's description was a "fleshpit" and a "A house of sin!" And from a certain perspective Club Zero is the finest in town, in the sense that it is the pinnacle of its particular purpose.

Michael would probably have described any strip club as a fleshpit and a house of sin. And Thomas would be hard pressed to misrepresent just what Club Zero was when Michael was right there with him. Club Zero is kind of, well, obvious, and there's no way even Thomas could call it a "gentleman's club."

[Quantus]

Michael would probably have described any strip club as a fleshpit and a house of sin. And Thomas would be hard pressed to misrepresent just what Club Zero was when Michael was right there with him. Club Zero is kind of, well, obvious, and there's no way even Thomas could call it a "gentleman's club."

And thats the crux of it: Catholic raised Michael would see any such club as an extreme of sin, while White Court raised Thomas in on the other extreme of the spectrum, and by his families standards it is just another fetish club (if an exclusive one).  I dont think there would be any "misrepresenting", just differing definitions and/or degrees of familiarity.

[knnn]

The only reason I would say it might be Club Zero is because you are otherwise granting what appears to be a *lot* of power to White Court vampire.  Consider that every major city has numerous "houses of sin", and for a White Court vampire to be able to detect a portal to any of those means practically instant transportation to any city in the world -- *way* better than anything the White Council apparently has. 

Heck, Chichen Itza has a small town/village maybe 2 miles away (Pisté) that includes multiple hotels (catering to tourists) -- I'd expect "massage services" to be available.  There is also an actual city (Valladolid) is 20 miles away.  Sure it's further away than the 5 miles Harry gets to, but there is a direct road to CI from either of those places.  This means you can commandeer a vehicle --   can always circle around once you get close.

So why didn't Harry ask for Thomas to find the portal?

[Quantus]

Because Thomas can only Home In on a resonant location once he's in the NN, and then still has to traverse NN terrain to get there, which may not be anywhere close to where he randomly entered.  The NN is not a nice place...

[Tami Seven]

The only reason I would say it might be Club Zero is because you are otherwise granting what appears to be a *lot* of power to White Court vampire.  Consider that every major city has numerous "houses of sin", and for a White Court vampire to be able to detect a portal to any of those means practically instant transportation to any city in the world -- *way* better than anything the White Council apparently has. 

Heck, Chichen Itza has a small town/village maybe 2 miles away (Pisté) that includes multiple hotels (catering to tourists) -- I'd expect "massage services" to be available.  There is also an actual city (Valladolid) is 20 miles away.  Sure it's further away than the 5 miles Harry gets to, but there is a direct road to CI from either of those places.  This means you can commandeer a vehicle --   can always circle around once you get close.

So why didn't Harry ask for Thomas to find the portal?

It has to be someplace Thomas has visited before, regularly and is familiar with. Or someplace, like the deeps, that he holds a strong emotional connection to.

[Mr. Death]

And thats the crux of it: Catholic raised Michael would see any such club as an extreme of sin, while White Court raised Thomas in on the other extreme of the spectrum, and by his families standards it is just another fetish club (if an exclusive one).  I dont think there would be any "misrepresenting", just differing definitions and/or degrees of familiarity.

An exclusive fetish club is pretty far from what anyone would consider a "gentleman's club," even the White Court's. It just doesn't fit what you would describe as one, and besides, Thomas's family's standards aren't really his standards. Also, it just doesn't make sense for Thomas to bring Michael to Club Zero. He's trying to stay on Michael's good side, or at least on his 'don't smite me' side--bringing Michael into what is basically a feeding ground for the White Court is just a bad idea.

The only reason I would say it might be Club Zero is because you are otherwise granting what appears to be a *lot* of power to White Court vampire.  Consider that every major city has numerous "houses of sin", and for a White Court vampire to be able to detect a portal to any of those means practically instant transportation to any city in the world -- *way* better than anything the White Council apparently has.

Thomas says he can cross over into places close to his heart, and Harry says he can find the Deeps because of what happened to Thomas personally. So, presumably, he is limited to strip clubs and such that he has personally been to and is associated with.

Also, yeah, what Quantus said--it's not instant, Thomas still has to walk from place to place in the Nevernever.

[Romulan Cmdr]

Another note/ thought.
In Cold Days Bob does the whole movie thing with Merlin and the formation of the island.
What if wasn't just across multiple times - what if the discrepancy is on Bob's part and it was across time and dimensions --multiple overlapping dimensions.

[Serack]

Another note/ thought.
In Cold Days Bob does the whole movie thing with Merlin and the formation of the island.
What if wasn't just across multiple times - what if the discrepancy is on Bob's part and it was across time and dimensions --multiple overlapping dimensions.

Interesting, although I wouldn't call that a discrepancy... I don't see where it contradicts anything.  Maybe you could start your own topic on it.  Or include it in the knnn's recent discussion about discrepancies and the MM book.

[Romulan Cmdr]

Interesting, although I wouldn't call that a discrepancy... I don't see where it contradicts anything.  Maybe you could start your own topic on it.  Or include it in the knnn's recent discussion about discrepancies and the MM book.

which thread is that one?  eh figured it was borderline cause if the vid showed him showing himself in time but was in fact parallel realities.. anyways. just point me to the other thread..