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« Reply #945 on: January 01, 2013, 07:42:28 PM »
I don't hate you... you just really annoy me... I am stuck with not having time to write
above comment made me cry  :'(

Well, Since I don't have job or school, I have plenty of time and energy to crack down on writing, something I should have done thirty years ago. (Yes, I am older than you might think) So many stories I need to write....

You just worry about school and doing well in that -- write when you can and put your soul into it.

If I had a time machine, I would go back in time and kick my earlier me's ass very hard and give him an earful of what I should have and what I shouldn't done. Writing time will come, but some things need to be taken care of first....

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« Reply #946 on: January 01, 2013, 07:48:02 PM »
fine school first writing second ... but if I had more time... I so would write more

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« Reply #947 on: January 02, 2013, 02:40:17 AM »
And I've had years to learn how to write -- law school and now fifteen years of practicing law.  Just thought I would try my hand at epic fantasy as part of my mid-life crisis.

It takes time and practice.  It does not come overnight.  You are starting early.  Wish I had done the same.
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« Reply #948 on: January 05, 2013, 05:55:31 AM »
These last two days, I have through-passed about 200kwords of the older project I previously mentioned.  It's a bot overlong in places, and there are philosophical points in it I would repudiate utterly now, but it has some fun setpieces and moments that are worth having, and there's no way of fixing it to be consistently good so I think this will be it.  Also, my eyes are tired.
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« Reply #949 on: January 05, 2013, 11:57:22 PM »
Just picked up an old Steampunk novel that I started writing in 2005 or 2006. Hopefully this year will be the year I can break through the Writer's block on it and actually finish it. It is hard though, as I want this one to be just perfect and writing in a language other than your native tongue is tricky. Especially if you need to have it in a specific style.

And since I no longer play any mmo (used to play City of Heroes before they so ruthlessly closed it down), maybe I can get the time in to write something this year. As in something other than the chronicles of the two rpg-campaigns I play in. Also need to continue with my idea of writing a collection of short horror stories (those at least will be in Swedish).
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« Reply #950 on: January 06, 2013, 03:19:47 AM »
I find the easiest way of dealing with writer's block is being able to go to a different scene or sequel.  By mapping out the scenes and sequels, if I get stuck in one scene, I can jump to another one.  Jim's advice on the subject of scenes/sequels really helped me.

Up to 222,000 words tonight.  Curious as to the thought of the philosophical discussions in sci-fi/fantasy, or even discussions about politics.  I suppose they can be used to flesh out your characters and make them more real, but I worry about venturing too far into "Atlas Shrugged" territory.  Sounds like it would be hard to pull off without losing readers.
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« Reply #951 on: January 07, 2013, 02:25:26 PM »
Up to 222,000 words tonight.  Curious as to the thought of the philosophical discussions in sci-fi/fantasy, or even discussions about politics.  I suppose they can be used to flesh out your characters and make them more real, but I worry about venturing too far into "Atlas Shrugged" territory.  Sounds like it would be hard to pull off without losing readers.

If it's in character for your characters, go for it.  Trying to write without any philosophical position at all leads to bland books with no content, which also loses readers; one doesn't have to agree with a book's position, let alone that of characters in a book (which need not be the same thing at all) to enjoy it.
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« Reply #952 on: January 07, 2013, 03:36:11 PM »
If it's in character for your characters, go for it.  Trying to write without any philosophical position at all leads to bland books with no content, which also loses readers; one doesn't have to agree with a book's position, let alone that of characters in a book (which need not be the same thing at all) to enjoy it.

Got to disagree there.  It's assuming that everyone's looking for socio-political enlearnment or somesuch, where many people are simply interested in a good story, engaging characters, etc.

And to be honest, people looking for socio-political fan service will invariably find it, even if the "message" they perceive is merely a product of their own baggage. 

People looking for validation of their worldview will find it, just as people looking for something to take offense to will create a "message" sufficient to serve their need for outrage. 

One could write an epic space opera in which all of the characters are magic space pandas, and there will be outrage from those who feel the writer owes it to them to provide external validation for whatever their personal causes and priorities are relevent to Current Events. 

Others will engage in all manner of fantastical "literary analysis" which will provide them with PROOF! that your story is actually somehow providing a message that supports or attacks them.  Depending on what emotional need they're seeking to gratify.  Martyrdom, validation, etc.

Screw 'em with a lava dong.  A big, spikey one.

Tell your story.  If you have any message, or theme, then by all means have at it.  If a character has some socio-political goal they need to pursue, then cry havoc and all that.  But I wouldn't recommend trying to write to any cause or theme simply to check off boxes.  And honestly, the socio-political themes will write themselves, so to speak, in a way entirely dependant on what the reader's looking for that day.
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« Reply #953 on: January 07, 2013, 05:21:02 PM »
Got to disagree there.  It's assuming that everyone's looking for socio-political enlearnment or somesuch, where many people are simply interested in a good story, engaging characters, etc.

I think, from discussions you and I have had in the past, that you and I are seeing this on a somewhat different scale.

I'm not suggesting every book has to be Atlas Shrugged to be political.  I am saying it's pretty much impossible to tell a story with meaningful conflict without that having some political position implicit, that is not entirely in the head of any given reader. The Dresden Files avoiding taking a specific position related to contemporary US politics does not make them apolitical, because Harry's strongly held personal moral beliefs, and the occasional thing Jim has said about his philosophy going into the books (such as free will being a good thing) are to my mind strongly political aspects.

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And to be honest, people looking for socio-political fan service will invariably find it, even if the "message" they perceive is merely a product of their own baggage. 
People looking for validation of their worldview will find it, just as people looking for something to take offense to will create a "message" sufficient to serve their need for outrage. 

To my mind it seems unambitious, to shrug one's shoulders and give up on the possibility of consciously doing something with those reactions, though.  Given that the range of human reactions is such that one absolutely cannot please every possible reader, it seems worth thinking in terms of which readers one most cares about pleasing; for myself, as reader and writer both, the more ambitious something is, the more I will admire it (if not necessarily like it), and socio-political relevance would be a pretty large swathe of human nature and endeavour to decide not to try engaging with.

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One could write an epic space opera in which all of the characters are magic space pandas,

It would need to be some pretty serious magic to provide a solid world-building back-up for how one gets an interstellar civilisation from pandas; their food requirements, environment, and habits are none of them particularly credible as liable to lead to a technological civilisation.  I'll stick with my Alien Space Bats and Flying Squid from Space for the moment.

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And honestly, the socio-political themes will write themselves, so to speak, in a way entirely dependant on what the reader's looking for that day.

Believing that entirely beyond my control would be extremely depressing.
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« Reply #954 on: January 07, 2013, 06:31:13 PM »
I think, from discussions you and I have had in the past, that you and I are seeing this on a somewhat different scale.

I'm not suggesting every book has to be Atlas Shrugged to be political.  I am saying it's pretty much impossible to tell a story with meaningful conflict without that having some political position implicit, that is not entirely in the head of any given reader. The Dresden Files avoiding taking a specific position related to contemporary US politics does not make them apolitical, because Harry's strongly held personal moral beliefs, and the occasional thing Jim has said about his philosophy going into the books (such as free will being a good thing) are to my mind strongly political aspects.

If we micro-parse any conflict, it can eventually be considered "political."  The great-great bastard grandpappy of all politics boils down to one person or group seeking to compel, coerce, or convince other people or groups to do something they weren't going to do otherwise.  Even if it's just one proto-hominid trying to figure out how to get laid or to convince someone else in his troop to pick those pesky butt-lice off of him... it could by some stretch be defined as "political" in the minds of readers looking for a socio-political message. 

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To my mind it seems unambitious, to shrug one's shoulders and give up on the possibility of consciously doing something with those reactions, though.  Given that the range of human reactions is such that one absolutely cannot please every possible reader, it seems worth thinking in terms of which readers one most cares about pleasing; for myself, as reader and writer both, the more ambitious something is, the more I will admire it (if not necessarily like it), and socio-political relevance would be a pretty large swathe of human nature and endeavour to decide not to try engaging with.

Unambitious to not try to engage with this or that faction?  Personally, I'm interested in telling a story, building a world, and developing characters which will be engaging to people of opposing sociopolitical viewpoints, and to do so without relying on sociopolitical issues.  They're too often merely a marketing crutch, a cheap marketing checklist.  So I want to create an engaging story without pandering to any faction, without relying on being just another source of external validation for their views.  It's easy to entertain someone you agree with, I want to entertain both people I agree, and disagree with.  That's pretty darned ambitious.  It's like brewing beer so good people who don't like you still ask that you be invited to parties in hopes you'll bring a few growlers.

And, as I mentioned before, quite a few readers will draw socio-political relevance into anything they read.  I have a conflict between communities regarding resources... Some readers will doubtless decide that it's a Libertarian Screed Against Collectivism.  And that'll alienate some, thrill others.  Yet one faction's looked at the British East India Company as a "How To" guide, among other things trying to impose the equivalent of a "Salt Tax"... which in the minds of other readers will conjure a theme of anti-colonialism/anti-corporatism.  And at the end of the day?  Neither communityis entirely right or wrong, with good and noble people on both sides, as well as both sides having a few terrifying fiends.

And none of those percieved messages are my intention.  I'm just leaving the crayons out and letting them draw what they please, becaues no matter what theme I actually wished to take, they'd do that anyway.  Many people will only weigh a story according to how it can be viewed through their preferred socio-political lense.  (I confess, it amuses me comparing the differing reactions and the vast discprenencies between how different people will view the same scene in terms of "theme" or "message."

Take 1984.  Long held up as a cautionary tale denouncing socilism, communism, marxism, and likely a good number of other isms...  but George Orwell was in actuality a devout socialist/anarchist who was attacking totolitarianism. 

People will find what they want in a story, often with no regard for the author's socio-political goals.  Some will look for things that support their views, others are simply looking to be outraged at anything they can find that they think attacks their views.  (Or doesn't try hard enough to support those views, which they will percieve as an "attack.") 

But in terms of an overt or intentional effort to engage a socio-political faction, I don't bother.  Because those people will conjure some way to engage themselves, so to speak.

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  It would need to be some pretty serious magic to provide a solid world-building back-up for how one gets an interstellar civilisation from pandas; their food requirements, environment, and habits are none of them particularly credible as liable to lead to a technological civilisation.  I'll stick with my Alien Space Bats and Flying Squid from Space for the moment.

That's if you don't know about Proto-Bamboo which not only nourishes them, but gives them the Mind Power to fend off the Nether-Koalas and their Anti-Eucolpytus Space Drives.

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Believing that entirely beyond my control would be extremely depressing.

Oh, you can influence it to varying degrees, but see above, Orwell. 
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« Reply #955 on: January 07, 2013, 09:10:31 PM »
I'm reminded of the story of Poul Andersen's daughter Astrid being in a
class and the teacher going on about, I believe, Heinlein's - Stranger in a Strange Land and
why he wrote it.
Up pops Astrid with - he wrote it because he needed the money.
Teacher is not pleased but Astrid actually brings a note in, I believe, from Heinlein
saying that's the principal reason he wrote the book.
Did not go over well to say the least. ::) ::)

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« Reply #956 on: January 08, 2013, 02:29:27 AM »
I've been toying with the idea of a greater political theme regarding organized labor in this epic fantasy that I'm working on, sort of like the medieval guilds on steroids, but wasn't sure if:  (a) I could pull it off without resorting to Space Pandas; (b) if anyone would care; and (c) those who care would be offended.

So right now I'm just concentrating on getting the story done.  If I find a wild oat, I may seed it.  Without pandas, to avoid plagiarism. 
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« Reply #957 on: January 08, 2013, 02:40:58 AM »
Oh, you can use the Space Pandas if you wish.  I've moved on to Techno-Sloths.  Very deliberate, very patient...

Guilds can give you a bevy of alternatives.  Internal power struggles, conflicting agendas, conflict with external forces.  Are they to be tools of achieving economic hegemony, or an effort to resist such?  Do they maintain their original purpose, or evolve from something beneficial to something malignant?  (Or move the other way, from a force of oppression and coercion to something positive?)

So many choices, and they're not mutually exclusive....

And when guilds get into each other's turf, all sorts of fun can happen.  A Miner's and a Smith's Guild have both mutual interests, and the potential for conflicting interests...

It's fertile ground for worldbuilding and generating conflict. 

Although, and this is purely a matter of taste, I'd suggest illustrating both the positive and negative consequences, so whichever side of the issue you might choose to weigh in, you're not being preachatory.  (I like it when authors lay the good and bad out, and let the reader decide for themselves if the consequences of this or that are worth dealing with for the benefits, as opposed to a Heinleinian sermon.  I loved the guys' work, but when he went into Lecture Mode my eyes would glaze over and I'd skim 'til the sermon stopped...)

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« Reply #958 on: January 08, 2013, 03:02:38 AM »
I always thought Monty Python was brilliant for using the killer rabbit in "The Holy Grail."  Pandas, sloths, banana slugs, whatever.  All good.

Using just about all of the alternatives with the guilds.  Lots of fun.  Threw in two competing guilds at the top whose trades/occupations include two forms of psionic skills:  telepathy and telekinesis.  And both of them (along with the other guilds) have a stranglehold on the local economy.  Mix in a local authoritarian who is arranging a military coup, a religious leader with delusions of grandeur, some "racial" hatred against the psionicists, and the threat of an invasion from the "outside" and wait for the fun.

I like some of the stories where the good guys wear white, but not so much as those with varying shades of gray.  If anything, the theme would be that too much of any one thing can be dangerous, even organized labor when it results in hegemony.
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« Reply #959 on: January 08, 2013, 03:21:59 AM »
Just be prepared for the "Hater's Gonna Hate" factor.  (Which is something I suppose any writer needs to bear in mind.  Personally, I hope my funeral is violently picketed by members of opposing extremist factions who both want to get their last shot at hating me in.  Means I've made a mark as a writer, and probably had a lot of fun giggling at the self-important and politically subjective Lit-Crit Wisdom various people would try to filter my work through.  Plus, I'm just kind of a dick that way.) 

For example, some pro-labor readers might take umbrage to the suggestion that anything negative can ever result from Labor.  (Plug in any other faction you like, the knee-jerkery potential remains the same.)  Basically, you're not validating their worldview hard enough, so your "attacking" it.

And there will be those who get their knee-jerkery from the implication that Labor has anything positive to add, or that you didn't show them in a negative enough light, etc. 

This'll happen with any faction one writes into a book... religion, military, academics, economic systems... anything resembling a political faction, etc. 

Which is probably why I delight in watching people weasel-hump some sociopolitical message into an author's work.  "I'm writing about pandas..." to which the Literary Analyst replies, "Yes, but from the point of view of polypedal Portlandian pimento pickers, your story fails utterly to discuss their plight..."


"But I'm writing about pandas.  Pandas in space, seeking yummy bamboo amongst the stars..."

"But still.... you had the opportunity to address the plight of polypedal Porlandian pimento pickers!"

"Do they have bamboo?  And space travel?"

"Clearly you have, as an author, FAILED to educate yourself on the plight of polypedal Portlandian pimento pickers!"

"Pimento's that red thing in olives, right?  I don't drink stuff with olives in it though... never liked the things... I don't know anybody from Portland either... how many feet do they have, on average?  Did someone do a study?  Let me know... in the meantime, I'm going to get back to writing about my pandas..."

"But... but.. the pimento pickers..."