How to model the redirection spell from Blood Rites?

[Watson]

How would you model the redirection spell that Harry tried out (the one that was prevented by a certain female character)?

PS. Is there any thread where more spells from the books are modelled in the game (like the examples in the rule book)? If not, it would be a perfect thing to do - might even be perfect as a Resource. DS.

[Tsunami]

How would you model the redirection spell that Harry tried out (the one that was prevented by a certain female character)?

A little more to go on would be nice.



Generally i would model something like redirecting an incoming spell as a redirected block.
Use a Block to defend against the incoming spell, then redirect the block energy into an offensive spell.
Describe at leisure as a redirected hostile spell.

[Watson]

A little more to go on would be nice.

Absolutely - When Harry tries to redirect the...

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incoming curse at the film set, by drawing lines around the set and having a mirror at the sound stage. The spell have to find its way through the "maze" and is forced to the mirror, which was supposed to direct the spell back to the caster[/spoler].

[Tsunami]

Absolutely - When Harry tries to redirect the...

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incoming curse at the film set, by drawing lines around the set and having a mirror at the sound stage. The spell have to find its way through the "maze" and is forced to the mirror, which was supposed to direct the spell back to the caster[/spoler].

Oh, that's simply a ward. Read up on Wards on YS:276.
That's straight up what wards do, they block an incoming attack and bounce it back on the source.

[devonapple]

Oh, that's simply a ward. Read up on Wards on YS:276.
That's straight up what wards do, they block an incoming attack and bounce it back on the source.

Wards are indeed the right effect, but if we stick to the RAW, they may not have been an option in that scene, owing to a potentially absent threshold.

I forget: did Harry address whether or not he was able to satisfy the "threshold" requirement of a ward in that scene when he put that thaumaturgical effect together?
Should we take it as read that he did the same in that scene, but it was off-camera?

I know later in the series, Harry made a big deal about laying a metaphysical framework to substitute for a natural threshold to which he could attach the wards he put on the shelter he had built.

[sinker]

Meh, as we've discussed recently in another thread, a ward doesn't need a threshold (as defined as the boundary built up around a home by those living in it) necessarily, it needs a boundary. I'd say that the walls of a building constitute a boundary.

Evil Acts (the just released DFRPG casefile) spoilers:

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Consider that it's completely accepted by the magical community that Prospero is building a ward around a theater, which is a public business.

[devonapple]

Meh, as we've discussed recently in another thread, a ward doesn't need a threshold (as defined as the boundary built up around a home by those living in it) necessarily, it needs a boundary. I'd say that the walls of a building constitute a boundary.

Cool. I have been away from the boards for a few weeks owing to gaming convention craziness. Can you link me to that article, please?

[computerking]

Cool. I have been away from the boards for a few weeks owing to gaming convention craziness. Can you link me to that article, please?

We're talking about it in this thread:
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,29204.0.html
And we're also talking about "Conceptual Boundaries". For example, what if Harry had used the conceptual boundary between the "real world", and the artificial, imaginary world of a movie set (Even a porn set requires a little bit of suspension of disbelief)...

[Richard_Chilton]

I forget: did Harry address whether or not he was able to satisfy the "threshold" requirement of a ward in that scene when he put that thaumaturgical effect together?
Should we take it as read that he did the same in that scene, but it was off-camera?

Wards can be anchored to things other than threshold - but they are most effective when anchored to a threshold.  The chalk lines were anchoring the ward and when they were removed the ward was rendered useless.

Richard

[devonapple]

We're talking about it in this thread:
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,29204.0.html

Are you sure sinker wasn't perhaps referring to another thread? This one doesn't seem to me to be about the same thing.

[UmbraLux]

I think he was referring to the "Noob Questions" thread.  It wanders into wards several pages in.

[sinker]

Sorry Devonapple, the ward talk specifically starts right here.

http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,28950.msg1250164.html#msg1250164

[devonapple]

I remember that thread now - thank you!

[Sanctaphrax]

How would people model the specific-ness of this ward? It seems to me that reflecting a single spell only ought to be easier than providing broad protection.

[UmbraLux]

Since you don't need it to last long, it wouldn't be too difficult.  Being thaumaturgy, it also has the advantage of not (necessarily) causing stress.

That said, it would be nice to have a similar capability with evocation.  What do you think Reflection should cost?  A two shift add on to a block?  Two shifts might be enough if the block still has to beat the attack's power (as a ward does), but not sure.  On the other hand, two shifts per spell reflected seems a bit much.