Team DFRPG has just about run the tables at the ENnie Awards!

[Shecky]

I don't follow the logic that says they have the best "everything", but they are the second best product of the year.

Okay, maybe my brain is still in bed, but I'm not understanding what you're saying in that first part. Help me out, please?

[zenten]

Does the Ennies apply to non-RPGs?  What won best product?

[Falar]

The Ennies are basically the Gamer's Choice awards. For the last couple of weeks, people have been able to vote. More people voted for Pathfinder APG than voted for DFRPG on the Product of the Year category. A majority of voting gamers thought it was better.

[Richard_Chilton]

If you want to see all the results, check out:
http://www.ennie-awards.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/2011_Winners.pdf

And the product of the year?
Pathfinder: Advanced Player’s Guide
- As in we lost to the player's guide of D&D v3.75.

Richard

[Falar]

Pah, we didn't even lose to the player guide. We lost to the added options to the player guide. It's not even a full game.

[Haru]

I have never heard of this price before, but the DFRPG team deserves to win every single award out there, because they are simply awesome, and they have created an awesome game.

Congratulations, you guys rock 

[Fyrchick]

Congratulations!

We already knew it was the best game, but now everyone else does too! I'd like to give it the "first-game-I-have-ever-been-able-to-tolerate" award as well. And not just tolerate, still enjoy immensely!
Total awesomeness.

[Masurao]

Okay, so... Explain how DFRPG wins Gold for both Best Game and Best New Game and still looses out to another one? I'm slightly inebriated, so that might be working against me, but I don't quite follow the logic...

[Richard_Chilton]

For those who haven't heard of the prizes before, do a search on them and read their wonderful history.  They have been around since 2001 have become the highest award in the industry.

So how could something win Best *this* and Best *that* and not win Best Overall? Simple - the voting system.  The winners were decided by votes and while a lot of people love DFRPG there are more people who play D&D 3.x.  The fans of D&D 3.75 decided that they loved that supplement and they voted in their masses.  Other than that one product, well the D&D 3.x market is so fragmented that they split the vote in the categories that anyone else won. 

Pathfinder, D&D, or a D20 product won the following awards:
Best Podcast:
SILVER: Chronicles: The Pathfinder Podcast

Best Art, Interior:
GOLD: Pathfinder: The Inner Sea World Guide (Paizo)

Best Cartography
GOLD: Pathfinder: Inner Sea Poster Map Folio (Paizo)

Best Production Values
GOLD: Pathfinder: Bestiary 2 (Paizo)

Best Rules
SILVER: D&D Rules Compendium (Wizards of the Coast)

Best Aid or Accessory
SILVER: D&D Essentials: Dungeon Tiles Master Set—The Dungeon (Wizards of the Coast)

Best RPG Related Product
GOLD: Castle Ravenloft Boardgame (Wizards of the Coast)

Best Adventure
GOLD: Pathfinder AP #43: The Haunting of Harrowstone (Paizo)

Best Monster/Adversary
GOLD: Pathfinder: Bestiary 2 (Paizo)
SILVER: Monster Vault (Wizards of the Coast)

Best Setting
GOLD: Pathfinder: Inner Sea World Guide (Paizo)
SILVER: Dark Sun Campaign Setting (Wizards of the Coast)

Best Supplement
GOLD: Pathfinder: Advanced Player’s Guide (Paizo)

Product of the Year
GOLD: Pathfinder: Advanced Player’s Guide (Paizo)

Fans’ Choice, Best Publisher
GOLD: Paizo Publishing
SILVER: Wizards of the Coast


Other than the D&D there were 4 CoC / Basic Roleplaying products that won awards.   The fact that a small publisher Evil Hat won so many of those awards is astonishing.

Here's a list of everyone who was nominated - check out who DFRPG beat out to win.
http://www.ennie-awards.com/blog/?page_id=2156

Richard

[TheMouse]

DFRPG lost out to the latest incarnations of what has pretty consistently been the 700 pound ape of the role playing world for the past 40ish years. D&D has for the past few decades had such a lock down on the number one spot that it's often had more market shares than the next several spots combined.

Not totally dominating a competition with multiple current D&D iterations isn't something to whine about. DFRPG did really well in competing with these games.

By most accounts, D&D4 holds 1st place and Pathfinder holds 2nd in gaming sales and popularity. Comparing pretty favourably is a win.

[Masurao]

Now I see... I couldn't find all the results of the awards yesterday, but now I see why Pathfinder was better overall I do understand how epic it is to have taken so many prices, with D&D's large fanbase.

However, I do propose the quality of votes must weigh in! Obviously, 100,000 D&D votes aren't worth more than, oh, say 5,000 DFRPG votes, right? :p

[Shecky]

Now I see... I couldn't find all the results of the awards yesterday, but now I see why Pathfinder was better overall I do understand how epic it is to have taken so many prices, with D&D's large fanbase.

However, I do propose the quality of votes must weigh in! Obviously, 100,000 D&D votes aren't worth more than, oh, say 5,000 DFRPG votes, right? :p

Heh. I wouldn't say that per se. D&D's got massive popularity for a reason (well, pre-4e especially, which is why Pathfinder's become the Son of 800-Pound Gorilla ). By comparison, DFRPG still falls into the category of up-and-comer. A damned fine up-and-comer, to be sure, but D&D's still the giant of the field.

Which makes it rough for any other RPG, no matter how fantastic it is. But that's just the state of affairs, and Fred & co. don't gripe about it - they know the deal. Doesn't stop them from making a kick-ass game, though, and doesn't stop non-D&D RPGers from recognizing that asskickery.

[Serack]

Heh. I wouldn't say that per se. D&D's got massive popularity for a reason (well, pre-4e especially, which is why Pathfinder's become the Son of 800-Pound Gorilla ). By comparison, DFRPG still falls into the category of up-and-comer. A damned fine up-and-comer, to be sure, but D&D's still the giant of the field.

Which makes it rough for any other RPG, no matter how fantastic it is. But that's just the state of affairs, and Fred & co. don't gripe about it - they know the deal. Doesn't stop them from making a kick-ass game, though, and doesn't stop non-D&D RPGers from recognizing that asskickery.

Yah, Everquest was the 800lb Gorilla of MMORPG's until WoW came around and showed em how to make a real MMO too...

[Shecky]

Yah, Everquest was the 800lb Gorilla of MMORPG's until WoW came around and showed em how to make a real MMO too...

Oh, I wouldn't go THAT far. They just figured out how to make video crack. My usual response to "WoW's the best because they're the most popular" is "Well, crack's popular too, and it doesn't make THAT good, does it?" 

[iago]

Paizo's the trump card of the ENnies -- which originated in a community built to celebrate d20. Paizo's Pathfinder took over the d20 crown when WOTC moved on to do 4e. (Please, no 4e hate/love -- start another thread on another forum for that tiresomeness!)

So basically whenever we go to the ENnies with a nomination, we're fighting on their home field. Getting a silver whenever we're up against them? FANTASTIC, BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME.

I got no complaints.