Transform Cafe into Forest

[devonapple]

For taking it out mentally, 3 (to overcome 2 mental base) + 2 mild + 4 medium + 6 severe + 8 extreme, um 23...

Rushed, forgot a few consequences, did some poor math - I screwed up.

As for the overcome Mediocre conviction, why 5? 

To counter the possibility that it rolls a 4.

Different possibility, apply 6 shifts to get 20 skill points and 6 refresh, or 7 shifts for 25 skill points and 7 refresh, or 8 shifts etc.?

Sounds like a good start. It is a shame that they don't have neutral, non-predatory "AI" spirits statted up for use in golems and constructs. Then again, maybe that's a sign that you can't rely on anything from the Nevernever?

[cgodfrey7]

Thanks for helping me brainstorm and understand things better, and no worries about rushed, I forget...what was I talking about?  For those still reading this strand, I would still be interested in other answers such as the transformation required maybe for a 3 zone restaurant, or an illusion, or a permanent portal approach into never never, which would be fun to see what came out too.

[MyNinjaH8sU]

Or, if you don't want m to be able to pull off a ritual of that caliber, then have him know his minion's true name, which would make the controlling of it far easier.

[cgodfrey7]

Interesting idea...maybe the shaman would know the true name of the spirit of hunger that hunts aka panther spirit.