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Offline furashgf

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Training Wheels
« on: September 06, 2010, 08:54:48 PM »
I'm up to page 206 in the 'your story' and I have to admit I'm completely overwhelmed and a bit confused. I'll certainly have to take a 2nd read just to "get it". I'm perfectly capable of getting complicated, crunchy rules, but this combines some level of crunchyness with no analog to traditional games (i.e., it's much easier to learn one thing if it's like a thing you already know).

Is there a "training wheels" version of the rules somewhere? e.g., White Wolf and other companies produce a quickstart which takes away most of the rules, but picks a set of core that can be covered in 10 pages or so. Once you've got that down, you can add in more and more of the real rules.

I'm sure those of you that have already played Fate-like games had no trouble with them.

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Re: Training Wheels
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2010, 09:46:08 PM »
Training Wheels rules FATE:
1.)  Every roll in the game is 4dF

2.)  If your character wants to try a task that the GM thinks needs a roll, then pick a skill that covers the situation you are rolling for, and add its value to a 4dF roll.
   *  The GM will only ask you6 to roll if failure is possible, AND if failure and success are both interesting

3.)  Give your character a certain number of Aspects.  These aspects are short phrases that describe the character or something important to the character

4.)  Determine one type of action that an aspect would help a character do better at.  Write that down.  Do this for every aspect.  Every time the aspect is used this way, the character gets a +2 to that action.

5.)  Determine one way that an aspect would make life more difficult or complicated for that character.  Write it down.  Do this for every aspect

6.)  Give all characters a certain number of FATE points to start with.  Every time a player want to use an aspect to help their character, they give up a FATE point.  Every time the player has an aspect used against his character, he gets a FATE point.

7.)  Combat and the equivalent type of conflict for social situations boils down to 3 basic things:  Attacking, Maneuvering, Defending. 
  a.)  To deal direct damage you attack.  Pick an appropriate skill for the situation, and roll. 
  b.)  To set up a situational bonus for a future attack, maneuver.  Pick an appropriate skill for the maneuver, and roll. 
  c.)  If a maneuver or an attack is being made against your character, pick an appropriate defensive skill and roll.
  d.)  To resolve an attack, compare the defense roll to the attack roll.  If the attack roll is higher, damage is dealt to the defender equal to the difference between the results of the defense and attack rolls. 
  e.)  To resolve a maneuver that did not have a defender, compare maneuver roll to a static difficulty set by GM.  If the roll is higher, then the maneuver creates a temporary aspect.  To resolve a defended maneuver, compare the defense roll to the maneuver roll.  If the maneuver roll is higher, the maneuver creates a temporary aspect.  All temporary aspects created by maneuvers can be used once by the person who made them without that person paying a FATE point.
  f.)  After any participant takes a certain amount of damage, he is out of the fight.  He can put negative aspects on himself during the fight to reduce the damage taken by a single attack.  He has a limited number of these negative aspects, which are called consequences.  Any participant can get out of the fight when he chooses to by offering a concession.  A concession is something that gives the opponent some of what they want, while letting the character making it get out without losing everything he could have lost from the fight.

And, I think thats about it for the basics.  There is a lot more to it of course, but use this for the training wheels before moving on to the more complicated details.  Once you get comfortable with the FATE point economy and aspects, you can open that part of the system up and start letting aspects be interpreted more open-endedly, so they aren't restricted to just one use.  Once you get used to skills, you can add stunts to the system, which provide situational bonuses to skills.  Then you can add powers, which are more powerful types of bonuses to skills. 

Once you get a handle on how combats will flow, you can start dealing with all the other combat options, like supplemental actions and blocks.

Save magic for last, as it is the most complicated subsystem.  No point worrying about it until everything else makes sense.
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Re: Training Wheels
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2010, 10:23:30 PM »
I like it!
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Re: Training Wheels
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2010, 02:28:40 PM »
Training Wheels rules FATE:

I'm not going to quote the whole thing, but that is a really concise summary of the entire system.  Impressive!

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Re: Training Wheels
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2010, 03:35:06 PM »
Nicely done, luminos! I especially like #4 and #5, those are crucial ones I've seen overlooked a bit too much. Aspects are really the driving force with Fate and that sums it up succinctly.
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Re: Training Wheels
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2010, 02:06:09 AM »
I'm in the same boat, as a Fate newbie myself.  Everything starts to come together well later in the book though.  In fact, at first I found myself hating the layout, wishing things like Aspects were explained in detail first, but for me once I reached that section I really had a "light bulb" moment and the whole system fell into place.

Luminos' summary works well too!  :)

All in all I find the system deceptively simple.  It's different enough from other role playing games to seem complex but once you get it, it just makes sense.  This game gives me the same tingly excitement that Unknown Armies did, with it's blend of simple yet deep mechanics, clever writing, and fun setting.
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