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Re: This is why the Council is Afraid of Harry Dresden (Spoilers)
« Reply #75 on: August 06, 2013, 06:32:21 PM »
The Wardens set up shop at her house in DB, so they are certainly aware of her. 
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Re: This is why the Council is Afraid of Harry Dresden (Spoilers)
« Reply #76 on: August 06, 2013, 07:05:29 PM »
Plus, I just remembered that she helped take down Mavra, thus proving her ability to handle combat with supernaturals (albeit with help from Dresden and Kincaid)

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Re: This is why the Council is Afraid of Harry Dresden (Spoilers)
« Reply #77 on: August 06, 2013, 11:06:26 PM »
Plus, I just remembered that she helped take down Mavra, thus proving her ability to handle combat with supernaturals (albeit with help from Dresden and Kincaid)
And considering here long-term relationship with Kincaid, its very likely the wardens have a whole other file on her.
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Re: This is why the Council is Afraid of Harry Dresden (Spoilers)
« Reply #78 on: May 31, 2014, 04:14:49 PM »
 :o  Thomas Raith lived with Harry during his training at cosmetology school, but I do not remember any reference saying that they actually had a sexual relationship.  They both knew they were brothers at that point.  I do remember Harry visiting Thomas's shop later, the staff assuming they were lovers, and it being something of a joke between Harry and Thomas.

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Re: This is why the Council is Afraid of Harry Dresden (Spoilers)
« Reply #79 on: May 31, 2014, 04:29:13 PM »
:o  Thomas Raith lived with Harry during his training at cosmetology school, but I do not remember any reference saying that they actually had a sexual relationship.  They both knew they were brothers at that point.  I do remember Harry visiting Thomas's shop later, the staff assuming they were lovers, and it being something of a joke between Harry and Thomas.

It's both joke and obliviousness.  Two men being roommates? Especially when one is (supposedly) a gay hairstylist/a White Court 'sex god/incubus' vampire?  How can there not be anything going on?

Put it simply,  the idea of a Wizard and a Vampire being brothers is something the White Council isn't quite ready to accept yet. I bet it's the first time (at least since Merlin) that's it's ever happened. 
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Re: This is why the Council is Afraid of Harry Dresden (Spoilers)
« Reply #80 on: May 31, 2014, 06:05:29 PM »
The council was afraid of Harry long before most of this happened. Basically, because of his fire magic that he used to kill Dumorne at 16....and because his mother was Maggie LeFae.

Still this is a good reference list.

However, pretty sure the only ones in the White Council who knew Dresden has a kid besides Molly, were Ebenezer & Luccio. Possibly the Gatekeeper. Doubt they'd tell.
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Re: This is why the Council is Afraid of Harry Dresden (Spoilers)
« Reply #81 on: May 31, 2014, 06:18:31 PM »
They are all wizards. They have union rules against telling anybody anything ;D

I don't think there is anything really useful in the warden files about Harry. Lucio had only heard rumours about how Morgan behaved around Harry for example and apparently rumours are more reliable than warden files.
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Re: This is why the Council is Afraid of Harry Dresden (Spoilers)
« Reply #82 on: June 11, 2014, 08:47:56 PM »
Wardens dont know about it, but Harry can now in all honesty say that he gave one of the Archangels a Bloody nose :)
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Re: This is why the Council is Afraid of Harry Dresden (Spoilers)
« Reply #83 on: June 26, 2014, 02:27:10 PM »
The confrontation with Shagnasty at the Raith mansion ought to be mentioned as another Turn Coat event, as Luccio was present to report on what happened.

Note that, while Harry's rings technically store "potential energy", calling it "kinetic energy" would be a much more useful phrasing for purposes of the Wardens' files.  Calling it "potential energy" makes it sound like Harry could convert its stored power into heat, light, electricity or whatever else he wants, not just kinetic force.  Better to use a term with less scientific precision than to give readers a skewed picture of what Dresden is capable of.
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Re: This is why the Council is Afraid of Harry Dresden (Spoilers)
« Reply #84 on: June 26, 2014, 02:40:51 PM »
The confrontation with Shagnasty at the Raith mansion ought to be mentioned as another Turn Coat event, as Luccio was present to report on what happened.
Perhaps but he didnt actually accomplish much there, other than to simply be present.  He almost got choked out, had his attack redirected at his (temp) ally, and then had a hostage trade proposed after which the thing left of its own accord.  And since the whole thing was about getting Thomas back, and Luccio promised not to share that with the council unless she absolutely had to, she likely didnt mention it except in passing. 


Oh, speaking of, there's a Typo in the Turn Coat entry:  "Assignation" should be "Assassination"
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Re: This is why the Council is Afraid of Harry Dresden (Spoilers)
« Reply #85 on: June 26, 2014, 04:03:21 PM »
The confrontation with Shagnasty at the Raith mansion ought to be mentioned as another Turn Coat event, as Luccio was present to report on what happened.

Note that, while Harry's rings technically store "potential energy", calling it "kinetic energy" would be a much more useful phrasing for purposes of the Wardens' files.  Calling it "potential energy" makes it sound like Harry could convert its stored power into heat, light, electricity or whatever else he wants, not just kinetic force.  Better to use a term with less scientific precision than to give readers a skewed picture of what Dresden is capable of.
 

Yeah,  except that it wouldn't be skewed if you think about it.  You're absolutely right. Harry SHOULD be able to convert the stored energy into various other forms, maybe he never worked out the formulae or maybe he's never considered it (he does that alot) but a wizard like Luccio would.
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Re: This is why the Council is Afraid of Harry Dresden (Spoilers)
« Reply #86 on: June 26, 2014, 04:08:48 PM »
Yeah,  except that it wouldn't be skewed if you think about it.  You're absolutely right. Harry SHOULD be able to convert the stored energy into various other forms, maybe he never worked out the formulae or maybe he's never considered it (he does that alot) but a wizard like Luccio would.
We've had a really long debate about this more than once, and it never gets anywhere.  The problem is that there is no actual standard definition for what Potential Energy means, various scientific and engineering disciplines use it differently.  Which is why, I think, that he no longer uses the term Potential Energy, and sticks to Kinetic Energy rings. 
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Re: This is why the Council is Afraid of Harry Dresden (Spoilers)
« Reply #87 on: June 27, 2014, 05:08:52 PM »
Perhaps but he didnt actually accomplish much there, other than to simply be present.  He almost got choked out, had his attack redirected at his (temp) ally, and then had a hostage trade proposed after which the thing left of its own accord.  And since the whole thing was about getting Thomas back, and Luccio promised not to share that with the council unless she absolutely had to, she likely didnt mention it except in passing. 

Sure, he didn't accomplish much ... except to demonstrate an alarming-to-paranoid-Wardens familiarity with Lara Raith.  Thomas was an outcast when he and Harry were "involved"; knowing that Lara and Harry have some sort of connection that outlasted Thomas's residency at Harry's place could be grounds for more conspiracy theories.

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Re: This is why the Council is Afraid of Harry Dresden (Spoilers)
« Reply #88 on: June 30, 2014, 08:44:41 PM »
Sure, he didn't accomplish much ... except to demonstrate an alarming-to-paranoid-Wardens familiarity with Lara Raith.  Thomas was an outcast when he and Harry were "involved"; knowing that Lara and Harry have some sort of connection that outlasted Thomas's residency at Harry's place could be grounds for more conspiracy theories.
True, but from the POV of the Council's records he was simply accompanying his Captain to a meeting with one of the local Supernatural powers in his territory, in order to pursue the Council's fugitive.  And the fact of the matter is neither of them were really supposed to be investigating that particular thing, so it's possible neither of them actually submitted the standard reports
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Re: This is why the Council is Afraid of Harry Dresden (Spoilers)
« Reply #89 on: July 01, 2014, 04:37:10 AM »
True, but from the POV of the Council's records he was simply accompanying his Captain to a meeting with one of the local Supernatural powers in his territory, in order to pursue the Council's fugitive.  And the fact of the matter is neither of them were really supposed to be investigating that particular thing, so it's possible neither of them actually submitted the standard reports
What standard reports?

When Harry asked if she would tell about his brother she said something like "only if it becomes relevant" basically she can report what she wants to.
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