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Offline Michael,HandofGod

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Sidhe Knights and Sponsored Magic
« on: June 01, 2010, 09:37:19 PM »
I was looking at the build for Knights of the Faerie Court, and something about the concept doesn't quite jibe with the whole 'sponsored magic' thing.  The way I see it, with sponsored magic you can invoke a point of 'debt' instead of spending a fate point to invoke an aspect.

The thing is, if you are a Knight of a Faerie Court...you already essentially 'belong' to the Queens involved.  I wasn't sure if this rule for sponsored magic would make sense, as you don't really have a debt to make deeper.  You're already theirs.  It seems to me that all debt was preemptively paid by taking up the mantle, and can be viewed as a promise to render services whenever asked.

So, that leads to the question of how to use the Seelie/Unseelie magic that they have acquired.  Since the books gave the impression that the Knights are fairly free to just do whatever they please so long as it isn't against their Court's agenda, and do their Queen's bidding when asked, it seemed that the best option would be to ignore debt points, and treat the Queen calling upon them as an ordinary compel (one that gives fate points) that cannot be refused.  However, if there is no debt, that implies that either:

a.  You cannot do the typical sponsored magic function where you invoke aspects with debt instead of fate, taking away one of the main advantages of sponsored magic.

or...

b.  You can still invoke aspects without using fate points, but take no penalties in forms of debt, which could be considered overpowered.

How do others handle this matter?
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Re: Sidhe Knights and Sponsored Magic
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2010, 09:48:48 PM »
I'd call it normal debt, but not necessarily to the Queens, it's to Summer or Winter itself, and makes you behave in an appropriate manner. The book even directly says that's how it works, actually. Being the Knight makes you more like your Court by it's very nature.

Now, being told to do things by your Queen would be a possible way to express that Debt...if they're telling you to do something Summer or Winter itself wants to happen, otherwise it's just a normal Compel.

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Re: Sidhe Knights and Sponsored Magic
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2010, 01:00:01 AM »
So, I had this whole long post written up on how the faerie knights still have free will - which means compels and fate points have some value, and how you could if need be treat debt as a purely out of character game mechanic if you needed to... and then I realized: the faerie courts work on favors earned and favors owed.  Fate points and debt just give you a good way to keep score.

In other words, I'd go with option c.  You can still invoke aspects via debt, as normal, and the GM can turn around and spend that debt to throw compels at your "Owned by the Faerie Queens" aspect without giving you a fate point for accepting.

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Re: Sidhe Knights and Sponsored Magic
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2010, 01:08:03 AM »
Okay.  I like that third option.  So, if the debt was ever reduced to 0, the Queens could still Compel the player, but the player would get a fate point for accepting.  And the rest of the time the compel can be refused, but it costs a fate point, and accepting gets you nothing.

My only problem with that is figuring out how that compares with the Knights belonging to the Courts.  I guess they just still have some free will.  -shrugs-  We'll work it out somehow.  Hopefully, my players won't be resisting too many compels, so it won't really matter.
I don't believe in things that go bump in the night.  It's more like a thud...

One, two!  One, two!  And through, and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went gallumphing back.
                                            ~Lewis Carroll

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Re: Sidhe Knights and Sponsored Magic
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2010, 03:15:05 AM »
Keep in mind that escalation is particularly appropriate for faeries, given the power of three over them. If your players are resisting too many compels, ask them twice and then thrice; Knights don't typically swim in fate points, so that should keep things under control. If they ARE swimming in fate points from other aspects and constantly burn them to fight back against their Court, consider changing your focus on them from a synergy into a conflict, and remember that Sponsored Magic can be cut off if they incur too much debt without paying any of it.

Offline Michael,HandofGod

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Re: Sidhe Knights and Sponsored Magic
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2010, 03:34:34 AM »
New question on the same topic--as sponsored magic functions like Evocation and Thaumaturgy, does it come complete with the focus item slots?
I don't believe in things that go bump in the night.  It's more like a thud...

One, two!  One, two!  And through, and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went gallumphing back.
                                            ~Lewis Carroll

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Re: Sidhe Knights and Sponsored Magic
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2010, 03:38:47 AM »
Yes, it does. If you get it on it's own anyway. See p. 183 in the revised PDF under Sponsored Magic for details.

Offline Michael,HandofGod

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Re: Sidhe Knights and Sponsored Magic
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2010, 03:44:06 AM »
Ah, there it is.  Thanks!
I don't believe in things that go bump in the night.  It's more like a thud...

One, two!  One, two!  And through, and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went gallumphing back.
                                            ~Lewis Carroll

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Re: Sidhe Knights and Sponsored Magic
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2010, 03:58:13 AM »
No problem, I'm happy to help.  :)