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Re: Unidentified Winter Knight Abilities
« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2020, 07:19:45 PM »
  Not really though,   unlike Slate, Harry, as was said about King Alfred the Great,  "you won't beat him because the bastard thinks.."  Bernard Conwell, "The Last Kingdom."  Great books and a wonderful three season series on Netflix..

I always confuse Alfred the Great's father with Æthelred the Unready.

The fun thing about the Slate fight is that Fix did all the work for him. Push a nerd too far and you'll get wrenched.

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Re: Unidentified Winter Knight Abilities
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2020, 06:31:08 AM »
We all know that becoming the winter knight has:
D.  It sounds like most knights die by violence.  Might it make him as longer lived or otherwise slow aging compared even to most wizards?
Any others?

Actually, I think it might be the other way around.  Harry running past his normal limits and having to heal faster and possibly more often, will mean he ages faster than most wizards.  So this is a cost, not a benefit of being the Winter Knight.
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« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2020, 01:27:38 PM »
Actually, I think it might be the other way around.  Harry running past his normal limits and having to heal faster and possibly more often, will mean he ages faster than most wizards.  So this is a cost, not a benefit of being the Winter Knight.

Why would it mean he ages faster?   Healing faster is an advantage that youth has over age, so it
could be that Harry gets younger and stays younger than most wizards

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Re: Unidentified Winter Knight Abilities
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2020, 03:26:36 PM »
Q:  Have we ever seen Harry boost Infriga or other Winter-magic with Soulfire?

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Re: Unidentified Winter Knight Abilities
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2020, 04:25:46 PM »
Q:  Have we ever seen Harry boost Infriga or other Winter-magic with Soulfire?


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Re: Unidentified Winter Knight Abilities
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2020, 07:19:24 PM »
Why would it mean he ages faster?   Healing faster is an advantage that youth has over age, so it
could be that Harry gets younger and stays younger than most wizards

We'll have to agree to disagree, but I think the Winter Knight's high octane lifestyle has a downside beyond the obvious risks; both physical and moral, the bearer of the Winter Knight's mantel has to deal with. 

Yes, when you are younger you heel faster, but what happens when you are forced to heal over and over again?  I think Winter Knight Harry is burning the candle at both ends. 
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Re: Unidentified Winter Knight Abilities
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2020, 08:47:51 PM »
Q:  Have we ever seen Harry boost Infriga or other Winter-magic with Soulfire?

Has there been any reference to any other knight who was also a wizard? Besides Ronald Ruel (sp?), fix and Lloyd Slate, the other one referenced that I remember is Andrei Chicotilo (sp?) who was a mortal Russian serial killer/cannibal. I vaguely seem to remember Giles De Raies being mentioned also.

Harry may unique among knights.

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Re: Unidentified Winter Knight Abilities
« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2020, 09:51:50 PM »
Has there been any reference to any other knight who was also a wizard? Besides Ronald Ruel (sp?), fix and Lloyd Slate, the other one referenced that I remember is Andrei Chicotilo (sp?) who was a mortal Russian serial killer/cannibal. I vaguely seem to remember Giles De Raies being mentioned also.

Harry may unique among knights.

The Dresden files RPG indicates that Rasputin was a biomancer (so not a full wizard, but like Morty as a specialist) who became winter knight. 

Also, I thought Mab at least implied that Tam Lin was a winter knight, and he might have been a wizard.

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« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2020, 02:25:30 AM »
I took the RPG to imply that Rasputin was an agent of Winter, but not the Winter Knight. That other guy from the RPG was implied to be the Knight. Several historic serial killers were listed as former Winter Knights.

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Re: Unidentified Winter Knight Abilities
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2020, 05:10:00 AM »
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I took the RPG to imply that Rasputin was an agent of Winter, but not the Winter Knight. That other guy from the RPG was implied to be the Knight. Several historic serial killers were listed as former Winter Knights.

This is true. In the Paranet Papers, the Winter Knight of the time is identified as Nicolai Dmitrich Bolshov, a Cheka (communist Russia secret police) officer.

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Re: Unidentified Winter Knight Abilities
« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2020, 08:49:15 PM »
Thanks. I couldn't recall specifically. I don't play games anymore, so I just get hold of the rpg manuals long enough to read the stories. Same for the comic books, but those are just because I've never liked the medium, despite trying.

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Re: Unidentified Winter Knight Abilities
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2020, 08:56:02 AM »
Q:  Have we ever seen Harry boost Infriga or other Winter-magic with Soulfire?

Yes in cold days, that harpoon he makes of ice and soulfire in the barfight with the outsider, he who walks before

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Re: Unidentified Winter Knight Abilities
« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2020, 04:58:03 PM »
Yes in cold days, that harpoon he makes of ice and soulfire in the barfight with the outsider, he who walks before

Nope, that was fire.  It made, "an arctic-gale hown and a spiraling harpoon of blue-white fire burning hotter than anything this side of a star"  Which is not what usually happens with soulfire infused fire...  And considering some of the adjectives it is understandable some might think of ice.

The winter knight side of him did rear up moments later though, "as my fist sailed forward, there was a sudden thrill that flowed up my arm from my hand, something delicious and startling.  I had barely processed that when I heard a crackling noise, and then saw glacial blue and green ice abruptly coating my fist..."
 
I don't think we've seen soulfire plus winter knight ice yet.  I am really looking forward to the fight with outsiders with Eb in the new book, because I think we are going to see if Harry overshadows Eb in the fight against the outsiders because of his ability to withstand their mental attacks (starborn), the added effect soul fire has, and the apparent instinctive support he gets from winter against outsiders.  Literally every power up he has gotten is even more effective against outsiders than against anything else.  I think Eb is going to be shocked after he sees Harry fight an outsider.

If so, I suspect Eb will be like, "Oh my God, you do realize X, right?  We need to talk later."  Only for Eb to die later so that Harry has a little more to go on, but not all of it.  Plus, seeing Harry as the guy powered all to heck to fight outsiders is what tips the balance and causes Eb to leave Harry the blackstaff, which then powers him up even further since it syncs with the winter knight mantle sooooo nicely.

Plus, since the staff stays with him somehow (seeing as how it could just appear in Eb's hand previously) it makes a nice plot device for when he does mirror mirror as a power-up he can use against his alter-self even after he's summoned right out of his shower or something...
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Re: Unidentified Winter Knight Abilities
« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2020, 10:07:32 PM »
I don't think we've seen soulfire plus winter knight ice yet.
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Literally every power up he has gotten is even more effective against outsiders than against anything else.
The question was "winter magic," not ice. Which raises the question, is there any magic besides ice magic that is associated with winter magic? On the second part of the quoted material, maybe that's a clue to what's coming? (I'm going to say it's definitely a clue to what's coming).

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Re: Unidentified Winter Knight Abilities
« Reply #44 on: January 22, 2020, 02:39:02 AM »
The question was "winter magic," not ice. Which raises the question, is there any magic besides ice magic that is associated with winter magic?

The answer specific answer was an ice harpoon, which was wrong.  In general, I think the answer is no, I don’t believe we’ve seen winter powers augmented by soul fire.  Which is really silly because we know it best at creation and makes thing stronger.  When he created the ice wall while (failing to) protecting Harvey against the ghouls, that would have been a great time to use soul fire to augment a spell to make it harder than drywall for them to get through