Dark influences on Harry

[Richard_Chilton]

I think the trials are mostly a formality because the Warden's testimony is so absolute, but they are still a formality. If a Warden wants to kill a warlock he can say whatever he needs to to be able to do it.

I believe that there is supposed to be a trial, but that when a Warden says "The Warlock was killed while resisting arrest" everyone just nods and called it a clean shot.

Richard

[DragonEyes]

I believe that there is supposed to be a trial, but that when a Warden says "The Warlock was killed while resisting arrest" everyone just nods and called it a clean shot.

Richard

Yes, this is precisely what I had intended to convey... errr... what he said.

[Serack]

I think there's mention in the text, that when Harry pulled out the barbed wire spell (Grave Peril) it tainted him as well.

In case you want to add this.

I'll add that one later, I'm working on adding stuff to the nightmare reference atm, but I think that might be a great one for this

[HistoryDave]

  The dark influences have been a double edged sword.  It is a sword that harry has walked the edge of and on more than one accasion he has overbalanced into the darkness.  His dance on the razor's edge has made him strong.  Strong enough to resist incredible temptations. 

He has drifted into red light saber territory, as detailed in the original post and on other instances.  He has also resisted temptation to grasp power more extensively and more consistently than most if not all mortals.  I do not think the Harry Dresden of Storm Front could have resisted the calls of Laschiel in DB and certainly not

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Maeve in CD

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There is evidence Harry has been groomed as a weapon, and some of this grooming has made him darker and "stained".  It has also forged him like a sword.  A magical sword with a high ego, able to assert his own will and defy anyone who would subvert that will.  Harry's story is the balancing act between the light and the dark.  The fate of the world hangs in the balance.

[wizard nelson]

maybe this was brought up alreadt but did anyone else notice
 

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hwwb lead harry into committing his first magical violence? specifically against an evil being messing with mortal life? seems fishy, a set up...
lea also comments to harry how hard it is to get young talents to believe in magical violence when talking about justin. a double meaning? was harry manipulated into laying the smack down on magical bad guys? he's pretty much been doing just that ever since..

[HistoryDave]

maybe this was brought up alreadt but did anyone else notice
 

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hwwb lead harry into committing his first magical violence? specifically against an evil being messing with mortal life? seems fishy, a set up...
lea also comments to harry how hard it is to get young talents to believe in magical violence when talking about justin. a double meaning? was harry manipulated into laying the smack down on magical bad guys? he's pretty much been doing just that ever since..

Imagine Lea responding to Harry after his encounter with HWWB and saying to herself.  "What a wonderful weapon the enemy is crafting, let us use it against them."  This may shed a new light on why Maggie had Lea pledged to be Harry's Fairy-God-Mother.  Then the enemy corrupts Lea, and Mab steps into Lea's role while she purges the the influence of Nemesis from Lea.  Makes a person wonder.

[wizard nelson]

well lea was already his godmother but i had this theory..

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harry having 'power' over outsiders is vague, justin wanted harry(also elaine is starborn) to control and lead outsiders for him. harry easily commands hwwb4 to tell him his name too. 'power' doesn't necessary only equate to ability to kill. also explains why hwwb4 wanted him alive.

[Blagaah]

I think that's just the necromancy thing.  Enthrallment doesn't specify a mortal or a human, and Harry explicitly accuses Victor of breaking it in the 1st book for having summoned and bound the trenchcoatted toad demon. (Morgan also accuses Harry of the same, claiming that it is against the 4th law)
I think he also reiterates the point in book 1, book 4, and book 10, saying how careful he is to imbue the words he uses to call Toot with as little will as possible to avoid breaking the law.

Calling something (via summoning, etc) is fine, as the creature is not forced to do anything.  The summoning typically will peek the curiosity of the being you call.  As long as you bargain with it, instead of force it to act, there is no violation.  As for Harry binding Kravos' ghost he isn't enthralling the being, and he isn't dominating it.  He is altering the metaphysical reasoning behind its existence.  The Nightmare, like all ghosts, has a Purpose for existing, as Harry explains later in the book.  What Harry does to Kravos is redirect that purpose from EVERYONE that took him down to ONLY HARRY.  Kravos is still free to do as he wants (as far as ghosts are able) and would be perfectly fine committing violence against anything in his way, but will fixate on Harry, at least until Harry is dead.  It's the spiritual equivalent of Harry running ahead of his gang with a target on his back.

[wizard nelson]

had an awesome  brain fart about what all these evil things trying to influence harry has actually done for him, listen
pphht!
its actually a great point, the more exposure harry has to resisting outside influences, the better able to reign in his own natural ones he's gotten.