Author Topic: Looking for a WOJ?  (Read 317 times)

Offline Con

  • Posty McPostington
  • ***
  • Posts: 1429
    • View Profile
Looking for a WOJ?
« on: December 13, 2024, 06:20:45 AM »
Looking for a woj on how many people Nemesis can infect?

Offline g33k

  • Posty McPostington
  • ***
  • Posts: 2419
    • View Profile
Re: Looking for a WOJ?
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2024, 01:58:56 PM »
Looking for a woj on how many people Nemesis can infect?

I do not think Jim has ever given us a precise number (nor any precise mechanisms or parameters).

Offline Yuillegan

  • White Council
  • Posty McPostington
  • *****
  • Posts: 1387
  • Forum Moderator
    • View Profile
Re: Looking for a WOJ?
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2024, 08:51:37 AM »
Quite some time ago, he indicated there was indeed a limit to how many individuals Nemesis could infect at any one time. But he didn't say how many. He may have alluded to the fact that someone could guess.

At the time, my guess was 13. But that's no more or less likely.

I believe it was during a Q&A session around the time of Battle Ground. 
Hi, I'm a moderator. We're here to help. Please remain calm. Don't go outdoors.

Offline g33k

  • Posty McPostington
  • ***
  • Posts: 2419
    • View Profile
Re: Looking for a WOJ?
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2024, 05:23:42 PM »
...
At the time, my guess was 13. But that's no more or less likely ...
No, I think "13" a highly-likely number, one of the "mystical" numbers, and usually an "unlucky" one in many Western traditions.

OTOH, it's a very _predictable_ number (for the above reasons).

From the Doylist POV, it suffers from being both too many (that many same-y foes is narratively pointless, messy, and confusing) and too few (a reasonable number to actually track them all down, but having "another Nemfected" to produce at-need is very useful for an author (q.v. Justine) which isn't possible if you've already ID'ed all 13).

By this analysis, I like 666 simultaneous Nemfections as the limit:  same advantages as 13, without the downsides.

Offline KurtinStGeorge

  • Posty McPostington
  • ***
  • Posts: 4264
  • Oh no, there goes Tokyo
    • View Profile
Re: Looking for a WOJ?
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2024, 12:52:55 AM »
And I think 13 is too high a number.  Simply because too many major support characters could be really be Nemesis agents at any one time to allow Harry to have any realistic chance of opposing them.

I think three is a much better number for Nemesis to be able to control at one point in time.  Three is not only a magic number and a prime number, but it also equals the number of queens in either Summer or Winter and it is also equals to the triple headed goddess.  But what really makes me think three is the right number is there are only three walkers.  Each can control one individual.

Three is also a good number from a practical level.  For example, we know both Cat Sith and Justine are nemfected.  My guess is Nemesis is holding Cat Sith in reserve for a future operation.  In any case, if Nemesis can only control three individuals at one time, it could have a third agent that is close to Harry; isn’t generally close to Harry but can gain access to him, like Elaine or is within the White Council.

Nemesis has already had agents in Summer and Winter and Justine was their plant in the White Court, so my guess is the White Council is the most likely organization for Nemesis to want to plant an agent within, unless they already control Elaine or one of the Alphas.
« Last Edit: December 20, 2024, 01:09:03 AM by KurtinStGeorge »
Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.

Groucho Marx