Author Topic: Are there more wizards like Elaine?  (Read 13924 times)

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Re: Are there more wizards like Elaine?
« Reply #45 on: June 30, 2018, 07:06:55 PM »
The problem didn't start after the red's war. The problem was that they didn't evolve with the times, disregarding mortal technology because they can't use it, being set in the same ways even though the world population soared. The fact that Justin found and secreted away two council level young wizards (and strong ones at that) is an indication of how weak the council's hold on the mortal magical community became. And that was a few decades befoe any wars. As you said, there isn't enough of them, and they're too arrogant and snobbish to call for help or change how they operate.
Maybe Harry doesn't think they're obsolete, but I do. They keep getting hit, and not replenishing their numbers or adapting fast enough. The only thing they're doing  efficiently now is killing warlocks, and that just deprives them from future resources.
I'm not saying that they're not important. Their mere presence makes many predators think twice before considering mortal prey. But it's not enough.

There was more than just the war with the Reds, their numbers were diminishing before, true.. But I don't think technology is the reason,  their numbers were going down since before the tech revolution..  It isn't that they disregard technology, they flat out cannot use it, for whatever reason.  I really think if Harry could think of a way to block his effect on computers and other things he'd use it.   Even when being out of it and examined with an x-ray it usually doesn't work and that is an old technology. 

Harry is the only wizard that openly advertises, he gets hits but how many of his customers actually believe he is a real wizard with real earth shifting powers?  Very few, and even when the see it with their own eyes, many still don't believe it..  The world has changed, true, belief systems have changed, vanilla mortals have their own kind of wizardry now, no need for a guy or gal with magical talent no matter how great..  Or unless you cross one, they don't even enter the mind of your average vanilla human...  So some retreat and die, kids with talent and their parents are not informed of the dangers of that talent going untrained or that they are even dangerous... So like Molly, thinking she is helping her friends by going into their mind, she does, nearly destroying them and sending herself down a dark path in the process... If not pulled back in time, the Council has no choice but to give them the chop, the Merlin is right about that. 

Obsolescence means something no longer fits the times, something better has come along.. Perhaps that is true for wizards, but kids are still being born with talent every day and get into trouble with it.. As long as that is true, there is a place for the Council and it's Wardens..

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Re: Are there more wizards like Elaine?
« Reply #46 on: June 30, 2018, 08:58:44 PM »
Their numbers weren't exactly diminishing, they weren't growing fast enough to keep up with the increase in earth population.
And yes, they disregard technology. Maybe they can't use it, but what's stopping them from hiring those who can? Those with limited talents (like their phone operators) or even flat out vanilla mortals.  For that matter, why don't they have a small standing army of mortals with machine guns and regular (or even magically enhanced) bullets?  They'd respond faster and even better to certain threats.
On another hand, why not train those with limited talents to scout out young people who have the Talent? And possibly give them basic training and understanding of the laws? If not to spare their lives, then at least to avoid the loss of potential resources.
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Re: Are there more wizards like Elaine?
« Reply #47 on: June 30, 2018, 09:06:29 PM »
Their numbers weren't exactly diminishing, they weren't growing fast enough to keep up with the increase in earth population.
And yes, they disregard technology. Maybe they can't use it, but what's stopping them from hiring those who can? Those with limited talents (like their phone operators) or even flat out vanilla mortals.  For that matter, why don't they have a small standing army of mortals with machine guns and regular (or even magically enhanced) bullets?  They'd respond faster and even better to certain threats.
On another hand, why not train those with limited talents to scout out young people who have the Talent? And possibly give them basic training and understanding of the laws? If not to spare their lives, then at least to avoid the loss of potential resources.
Because the white council is not about that. In the ind it is about restraining wizardry and not about encouraging it.
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Re: Are there more wizards like Elaine?
« Reply #48 on: July 02, 2018, 03:10:29 AM »
Their numbers weren't exactly diminishing, they weren't growing fast enough to keep up with the increase in earth population.
And yes, they disregard technology. Maybe they can't use it, but what's stopping them from hiring those who can?

I'm sure they do hire those who can use it.

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On another hand, why not train those with limited talents to scout out young people who have the Talent? And possibly give them basic training and understanding of the laws? If not to spare their lives, then at least to avoid the loss of potential resources.

Because they've been lazy and complacent.  That's a large chunk of what the problem has been.  They were on top for so long that when it began to slip, they were slow to recognize the problem.