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DF Spoilers / Re: Battle Ground !!!SPOILERS!!!
« on: September 04, 2020, 08:17:13 PM »
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DF Spoilers / Re: Bob's parents.
« on: September 04, 2020, 07:26:59 PM »
Some toughts/points
- Old (2009) WoJ about Bob: "He’s a thousand year old being, he’s not in a hurry" (
- The fact that Bob doesn't recognize Merlin-style magic suggests to me Merlin is probably not the father
- Could something like River Shoulders be the father?
- What about Mac?
- Mother Winter (not sure about "love")?
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DF Spoilers / Re: The Hounds of Tindalos - who were they after? SPOILERS
« on: July 28, 2020, 03:41:50 PM »Humans bugs don't seem as likely, at least to me. Lara has mortals in her employ with the training to detect such mundane methods and they wouldn't disrupt the tech. But Harry being unable to see them seems likely as he isn't even aware of most of the internet.
I don't think Lara is actually being bugged. I think it's simple human treachery (i.e. Justine stealing secrets). If you will recall, Lara summarily discounts the idea treachery ("has never happened" -- conveniently forgetting about Madeline in Turn Coat). We've already seen Justine go behind Lara's back for Harry/Thomas. Who is to say she isn't doing the same for other parties (possibly with Thomas' knowledge and consent)?
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DF Spoilers / Re: The Hounds of Tindalos - who were they after? SPOILERS
« on: July 27, 2020, 04:30:44 PM »
Random facts:
The idea of time-travel is interesting, as it would explain how nobody is noticing anything ("Veil Time" would be a good name for a book), but I think it's more likely that it's pure mortals doing everything. Consider that later on, Grey says that the Feds have surveillance on Justine.
WAG:
What if Justine was the one leaking Lara's secrets to some mortal authority (e.g. the FBI) in return for the supernatural equivalent of "Witness Protection". This would explain why they have surveillance in place, and also maybe why the first thing Justine asks is "does Lara know?". She's more worried about the spying. FBI-style bugging would be very hard for Harry to detect (though easy to disrupt).
As for the Hounds, what if the FBI agents were given "tools" they don't really understand (e.g. hexunbelts), or somehow suborned to serve the Black Council? Someone could easily blackmail Thomas with Justine's spying and force him to do things (or maybe Thomas was in on the spying himself).
Or maybe, Ebenezer's "someone you don't expect" is actually Justine. Heck, do we know for sure if Thomas is really the father?
- Harry was checking for surveillance around Justine's apartment when he gets attacked and mentions not seeing anything when he gets attacked
- Similarly, Lara mentions leaks but hasn't noticed any magical interference.
- Only mortals can summon Outsiders.
The idea of time-travel is interesting, as it would explain how nobody is noticing anything ("Veil Time" would be a good name for a book), but I think it's more likely that it's pure mortals doing everything. Consider that later on, Grey says that the Feds have surveillance on Justine.
WAG:
What if Justine was the one leaking Lara's secrets to some mortal authority (e.g. the FBI) in return for the supernatural equivalent of "Witness Protection". This would explain why they have surveillance in place, and also maybe why the first thing Justine asks is "does Lara know?". She's more worried about the spying. FBI-style bugging would be very hard for Harry to detect (though easy to disrupt).
As for the Hounds, what if the FBI agents were given "tools" they don't really understand (e.g. hexunbelts), or somehow suborned to serve the Black Council? Someone could easily blackmail Thomas with Justine's spying and force him to do things (or maybe Thomas was in on the spying himself).
Or maybe, Ebenezer's "someone you don't expect" is actually Justine. Heck, do we know for sure if Thomas is really the father?
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DF Spoilers / Re: Peace Talks - Continuity Notes [Spoilers]
« on: July 21, 2020, 02:40:32 PM »
Others I noticed:
- The distance to the Raith manor is described as "several miles" (and he drives in convoy). In Turn Coat it's "half a mile".
- Harry drinks that "black and white" potion, yet he still sees some things in color (like "scarlet blood") inconsistently.
- Lara states that's she never been betrayed by members of her household. I guess Madeline in Turn Coat doesn't count?
- Not a dis-continuity, but you'd think the Raiths would have had a servant/maid doing things like changing diapers.
- The distance to the Raith manor is described as "several miles" (and he drives in convoy). In Turn Coat it's "half a mile".
- Harry drinks that "black and white" potion, yet he still sees some things in color (like "scarlet blood") inconsistently.
- Lara states that's she never been betrayed by members of her household. I guess Madeline in Turn Coat doesn't count?
- Not a dis-continuity, but you'd think the Raiths would have had a servant/maid doing things like changing diapers.
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DF Spoilers / Re: Chapter 6 Drop
« on: July 07, 2020, 04:04:46 PM »
Well, except for the fact that the favor Harry got was from the Summer Court. Not sure Mab would have been required to fulfill anything.
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DF Spoilers / Re: Kincaid
« on: July 02, 2020, 12:22:00 PM »
I've long thought that Kincaid was a scion of Drakul himself, making him Dracula's (younger?) brother.
I know there's a WoJ stating that "Kincaid made his Choice long ago", but in Blood Rites Harry describes the "the almost violent psychic pressure that accompanies a soulgaze" when looking at Kincaid. This makes me believe that Kincaid has a deal similar to Goodman Grey where he gets to keep part of his Soul.
I know there's a WoJ stating that "Kincaid made his Choice long ago", but in Blood Rites Harry describes the "the almost violent psychic pressure that accompanies a soulgaze" when looking at Kincaid. This makes me believe that Kincaid has a deal similar to Goodman Grey where he gets to keep part of his Soul.
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DF Spoilers / Re: Rashid's Eye
« on: June 09, 2020, 04:46:18 PM »
I don't think that follows from the text, Unless you're saying Rashid's response was an act.
Quote from: Turn Coat
He frowned at me and then repeated the little ritual. Then he made a choking sound. "Blood of the Prophet. he swore, opening his eyes to stare at me. "You... You've claimed this place as a sanctum"
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DF Spoilers / Re: Rashid's Eye
« on: June 09, 2020, 01:48:24 PM »
The fact that it doesn't pick up Harry's connection to Demonreach until he physically stands on the island is rather telling.
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The Bar / Re: Keep Blaze in your thoughts!
« on: April 21, 2020, 06:54:39 AM »
Thank g-d!
Feel better Blaze.
Feel better Blaze.
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DF Spoilers / Re: WAG- Trailer, Sample Chapter, SPOILERS WITHIN
« on: April 17, 2020, 01:18:17 PM »
If you look carefully at the shirts Harry is wearing throughout the trailer, you'll notice he wears a t-shirt for the first scene and the scene with Ebenezer, but puts on a button-down shirt (during the scene with Marcone) and (presumably) wears it throughout the Talks themselves (e.g. including the scene with Lara).
This matches the first part of OP, since the Cornerhounds chapter (chapter 9 per Priscellie) happens the night before the Talks start. My personal theory is that the Harry/Ebenezer confrontation happens right before the Cornerhounds appear (Harry stating that someone is trying to sabotage the talks), and their appearance defuses the near-confrontation they have "onscreen" and convinces Ebenezer that Harry might be right.
This matches the first part of OP, since the Cornerhounds chapter (chapter 9 per Priscellie) happens the night before the Talks start. My personal theory is that the Harry/Ebenezer confrontation happens right before the Cornerhounds appear (Harry stating that someone is trying to sabotage the talks), and their appearance defuses the near-confrontation they have "onscreen" and convinces Ebenezer that Harry might be right.
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DF Spoilers / Re: Lovecraft, Zelazny and Butcher
« on: April 14, 2020, 04:59:43 PM »
Another possible Necronomicon reference is Thomas' quote in Blood Rites:
Thomas says it's from Corinthians, but if you look up the reference, it's really not. For one thing, the "face of the deep" thing sounds a lot like Genesis 1:2. More important to your thread, the notion that "stars" can "grow cold" is actually a relatively modern idea (i.e. the notion that the stars are just suns that are far away), not really mentioned in the Bible at all.
In the past I've tracked thisquote idea to two places, one of which is a quote from the (as you pointed out above) Necronomicon:
Edit:
Some more thoughts:
1) If you haven't read A Night in the Lonesome October, you totally should. It's from the PoV of the dog (think Mouse) and a whole lot of fun.
2) "Host of Ekron" probably refers to one of the 5 city states of Philistines who lived in ancient Israel shortly before king David's time (the five states being: Ekron, Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod and Gath). The probable connection here is that their chief deity was fish-god named "Dagon" (I think the name literally means "fish-lord"). Dagon of course also has Lovecraftian connections.
Quote from: Blood Rite
You can have everything in the world, but if you don't have love, none of it means crap," he said promptly. "Love is patient. Love is kind. Love always forgives, trusts, supports, and endures. Love never fails. When every star in the heavens grows cold, and when silence lies once more on the face of the deep, three things will endure: faith, hope, and love.
Thomas says it's from Corinthians, but if you look up the reference, it's really not. For one thing, the "face of the deep" thing sounds a lot like Genesis 1:2. More important to your thread, the notion that "stars" can "grow cold" is actually a relatively modern idea (i.e. the notion that the stars are just suns that are far away), not really mentioned in the Bible at all.
In the past I've tracked this
Quote from: Necronomicon
...even as stars wane and grow cold, even as stars die and the spaces between stars grow more wide, so wanes the power of all things...
Edit:
Some more thoughts:
1) If you haven't read A Night in the Lonesome October, you totally should. It's from the PoV of the dog (think Mouse) and a whole lot of fun.
2) "Host of Ekron" probably refers to one of the 5 city states of Philistines who lived in ancient Israel shortly before king David's time (the five states being: Ekron, Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod and Gath). The probable connection here is that their chief deity was fish-god named "Dagon" (I think the name literally means "fish-lord"). Dagon of course also has Lovecraftian connections.
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The Bar / Re: Keep Blaze in your thoughts!
« on: April 14, 2020, 04:41:33 PM »
Just heard about this from Serack.
Blaze was a very kind person, and from all my interactions with her I built the impression of a very generous and thoughtful person. I wish her the best and hope she recovers soon.
Stay safe everyone.
Blaze was a very kind person, and from all my interactions with her I built the impression of a very generous and thoughtful person. I wish her the best and hope she recovers soon.
Stay safe everyone.
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DF Spoilers / Re: We have a problem.
« on: June 29, 2018, 06:09:55 PM »
Nice catch Raidem!!
Fortunately, the problem is only in the links. The fix is to replace JimButcherOnline.com/bb/ with paranetonline.com/ in each link. If we can do a bulk fix, that would be best. Otherwise, we'll need to change them by hand as we come across them.
E.g. As an example, try the link in your signature.
Fortunately, the problem is only in the links. The fix is to replace JimButcherOnline.com/bb/ with paranetonline.com/ in each link. If we can do a bulk fix, that would be best. Otherwise, we'll need to change them by hand as we come across them.
E.g. As an example, try the link in your signature.