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Jim Butcher Evening at Kiama Library - Part 5
Kiama Library, Kiama, New South Wales, Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHxy_9lR4kk
Fred needs (inaudible)
Yeah. Well, yeah, because Fred, he doesn't have a lot to do at Evil Hat. He is having other projects going on. I'm sure he'll just --
(inaudible)
Whatever. The interesting thing about the game is that I'm the one person in the world who can't play the Dresden Files DFRPG. Imagine trying to GM me, because I'm a power gaming weasel. Yes, it is that way. And if necessary, I'll write it that way in the next book. How could you do it? But if I'm the GM, too much like work. I can't really enjoy it. So, yeah, I'm like the one person in the world who can't enjoy it. But you guys should have a good time.
Chorus: We do.
Yeah, I realized my son had gotten to be 21 years old and yet had never actually played Dungeons and Dragons. And I was like, 'Oh, my God. I've failed as a parent. I must fix this.' And so I put together a D&D game for my son and his cousins, and it's actually turning into a couples game now as everybody is getting girlfriends and so on, because if the girl is not nerdy enough to play some D&D, she doesn't deserve my son. But D&D isn't D&D anymore, because D&D 4th edition is terrible, which I was actually one of the play testers for 4th edition, which they already had everything published before they sent things to the play testers so why did they bother to play test. And I wrote them a two word summary of D&D 4th edition, which they did not like at all.
It sucks?
No. My two word summary of D&D 4th edition was "New Coke".
That was how Tracy Hickman described it at GenCon, as well. Exactly the same way.
Yes, exactly. And it crashed and burned. And for D&D Next, they're trying to fix it.
Have you play tested that?
I have been and they're trying to fix it, which I admire. But really D&D got carried forward with Pathfinder and the folks at Paizo, who saw what was going on with 4th edition and said, 'We can make so much money doing it this way.' And they've done pretty well. Go capitalism. I like that part, because I can still play D&D. So, I started running Pathfinder for them but I started running them through the old Caves of Chaos campaign. Because when you play Dungeons and Dragons, you play Caves of Chaos. That's where it starts. That's how it is and ever more shall be. So, I started doing that only I set the game in a zombie apocalypse with the Keep on the Borderlands being the last hold out of humanity, and in order to get in, they had to volunteer to be on the expeditionary force. And the first thing the expeditionary force had to do was go to the Caves of Chaos and try and enlist the green skins in an alliance against the zombies. So Caves of Chaos turned out to be this diplomatic dungeon. And it's a totally different dungeon as diplomacy. It's awesome. A good time was had by all. And we run zombie rules. So, if you're not looking at the zombie -- if there's zombies fifty yards that way, when everybody turns away to look over here and you turn back, here they are, right there. That's the way it works in a zombie world. But you've got to be able to roll with that.
Did you have much input into the choice of the FATE system for the Dresden RPG and how do you feel about that as a system?
The FATE system for the RPG I think is pretty brilliant and folks seem to be having a pretty good time with it. I didn't have a whole lot of input on the game, other than they would ask me questions for hours and hours and hours and I would answer them. I did feel pretty good about the fact that the guys who were putting the game together got so deep into the world lore that they went, 'Wait a minute. If A and B are true, then this C thing must also be true. Is this going to happen in the books?' I'd be like, 'Shut up. Tell no one about that. Tell no one about that. I'm saving that for a surprise.' 'Okay, we'll be quiet.' As far as the game went, I didn't really have a whole lot to do with it. I thought, when I got sent basically final proofs for approval, I thought I was going to be tearing into them and just ripping them to shreds and leaving them just covered in bloody red ink, and instead I was laughing. They had done such a good job that they didn't leave me any room to (inaudible). So, it's like, 'No, I guess you've done your thing. This is kind of awesome, actually. I wish I could play it.'
Do your publishers kind of give you just total freedom with all of your Dresden books or did it start where they kind of went, 'That might be going a bit far.' I'm thinking more Sue in Dead Beat.
No, they never -- my publishers have never -- really, ever since Summer Knight, really, they basically just said, 'You know, we're just going to let this guy do what he does because it seems to be working.' So, these days, no, I don't get -- I get things from my publishers, you know, questions of logic, like can we connect these two logical points that don't seem to match up. Or you forgot this detail from chapter 7 that needs to be carried through to chapter 11. You know, stuff like that, but they never go, 'Jim, this is too much. You can't possibly do this.' Maybe I just haven't gone far enough. You're right. I need to be more horrible to Dresden and his friends. But, no, so far nothing like that.
Two more.
Okay, two more questions.
What happened to (inaudible) Marcone's girl in (inauduble)?
Oh, what happened to coma girl in the hospital? We will find out. Not in Skin Game, but we will find out. And one more. Somebody who hasn't gone yet.
Are there some characters as you've written them that turned have turned out differently? So, if you had a plot and there's some characters you thought would be incidental that as you've written them have become (inaudible)?
Yeah, absolutely. The characters do that kind of stuff all the time. Butters was supposed to be a throw off, one use character that we were going to see in one book. And people liked him so much that when I put up a poll to say who do you want to see more of and I got, 'Butters, Butters, Butters.' So, when Harry went into the book where he was going to be up against a bunch of necromancers and needed a sidekick, and it's like well, why not have the corpse examiner be the sidekick? That really seems appropriate yet completely useless against necromancers, to make Harry's day that much worse and so that made it even better. But yeah, Butters gets some more (inaudible). You'll enjoy that one. Okay, guys, thank you very, very much for being so kind to me this evening.
Kiama Library, Kiama, New South Wales, Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHxy_9lR4kk
Fred needs (inaudible)
Yeah. Well, yeah, because Fred, he doesn't have a lot to do at Evil Hat. He is having other projects going on. I'm sure he'll just --
(inaudible)
Whatever. The interesting thing about the game is that I'm the one person in the world who can't play the Dresden Files DFRPG. Imagine trying to GM me, because I'm a power gaming weasel. Yes, it is that way. And if necessary, I'll write it that way in the next book. How could you do it? But if I'm the GM, too much like work. I can't really enjoy it. So, yeah, I'm like the one person in the world who can't enjoy it. But you guys should have a good time.
Chorus: We do.
Yeah, I realized my son had gotten to be 21 years old and yet had never actually played Dungeons and Dragons. And I was like, 'Oh, my God. I've failed as a parent. I must fix this.' And so I put together a D&D game for my son and his cousins, and it's actually turning into a couples game now as everybody is getting girlfriends and so on, because if the girl is not nerdy enough to play some D&D, she doesn't deserve my son. But D&D isn't D&D anymore, because D&D 4th edition is terrible, which I was actually one of the play testers for 4th edition, which they already had everything published before they sent things to the play testers so why did they bother to play test. And I wrote them a two word summary of D&D 4th edition, which they did not like at all.
It sucks?
No. My two word summary of D&D 4th edition was "New Coke".
That was how Tracy Hickman described it at GenCon, as well. Exactly the same way.
Yes, exactly. And it crashed and burned. And for D&D Next, they're trying to fix it.
Have you play tested that?
I have been and they're trying to fix it, which I admire. But really D&D got carried forward with Pathfinder and the folks at Paizo, who saw what was going on with 4th edition and said, 'We can make so much money doing it this way.' And they've done pretty well. Go capitalism. I like that part, because I can still play D&D. So, I started running Pathfinder for them but I started running them through the old Caves of Chaos campaign. Because when you play Dungeons and Dragons, you play Caves of Chaos. That's where it starts. That's how it is and ever more shall be. So, I started doing that only I set the game in a zombie apocalypse with the Keep on the Borderlands being the last hold out of humanity, and in order to get in, they had to volunteer to be on the expeditionary force. And the first thing the expeditionary force had to do was go to the Caves of Chaos and try and enlist the green skins in an alliance against the zombies. So Caves of Chaos turned out to be this diplomatic dungeon. And it's a totally different dungeon as diplomacy. It's awesome. A good time was had by all. And we run zombie rules. So, if you're not looking at the zombie -- if there's zombies fifty yards that way, when everybody turns away to look over here and you turn back, here they are, right there. That's the way it works in a zombie world. But you've got to be able to roll with that.
Did you have much input into the choice of the FATE system for the Dresden RPG and how do you feel about that as a system?
The FATE system for the RPG I think is pretty brilliant and folks seem to be having a pretty good time with it. I didn't have a whole lot of input on the game, other than they would ask me questions for hours and hours and hours and I would answer them. I did feel pretty good about the fact that the guys who were putting the game together got so deep into the world lore that they went, 'Wait a minute. If A and B are true, then this C thing must also be true. Is this going to happen in the books?' I'd be like, 'Shut up. Tell no one about that. Tell no one about that. I'm saving that for a surprise.' 'Okay, we'll be quiet.' As far as the game went, I didn't really have a whole lot to do with it. I thought, when I got sent basically final proofs for approval, I thought I was going to be tearing into them and just ripping them to shreds and leaving them just covered in bloody red ink, and instead I was laughing. They had done such a good job that they didn't leave me any room to (inaudible). So, it's like, 'No, I guess you've done your thing. This is kind of awesome, actually. I wish I could play it.'
Do your publishers kind of give you just total freedom with all of your Dresden books or did it start where they kind of went, 'That might be going a bit far.' I'm thinking more Sue in Dead Beat.
No, they never -- my publishers have never -- really, ever since Summer Knight, really, they basically just said, 'You know, we're just going to let this guy do what he does because it seems to be working.' So, these days, no, I don't get -- I get things from my publishers, you know, questions of logic, like can we connect these two logical points that don't seem to match up. Or you forgot this detail from chapter 7 that needs to be carried through to chapter 11. You know, stuff like that, but they never go, 'Jim, this is too much. You can't possibly do this.' Maybe I just haven't gone far enough. You're right. I need to be more horrible to Dresden and his friends. But, no, so far nothing like that.
Two more.
Okay, two more questions.
What happened to (inaudible) Marcone's girl in (inauduble)?
Oh, what happened to coma girl in the hospital? We will find out. Not in Skin Game, but we will find out. And one more. Somebody who hasn't gone yet.
Are there some characters as you've written them that turned have turned out differently? So, if you had a plot and there's some characters you thought would be incidental that as you've written them have become (inaudible)?
Yeah, absolutely. The characters do that kind of stuff all the time. Butters was supposed to be a throw off, one use character that we were going to see in one book. And people liked him so much that when I put up a poll to say who do you want to see more of and I got, 'Butters, Butters, Butters.' So, when Harry went into the book where he was going to be up against a bunch of necromancers and needed a sidekick, and it's like well, why not have the corpse examiner be the sidekick? That really seems appropriate yet completely useless against necromancers, to make Harry's day that much worse and so that made it even better. But yeah, Butters gets some more (inaudible). You'll enjoy that one. Okay, guys, thank you very, very much for being so kind to me this evening.