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DF Reference Collection / Re: Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
« on: November 30, 2012, 07:36:17 AM »
Quote from: sjsharks on November 29, 2012, 08:09:21 PM
I can't think of what to say to the rest of your stuff, and don't have the time now. But isn't that exactly what Maggie's curse did? Make it so he couldn't feed his Hunger?
Yes, which is part of why I don't think that the White King is infected, working with the outsiders sure.

Of course the trippy part comes if we start assuming the outsiders aren't unified but instead have a coinciding goal, and there are multiple diseases.

I mean lets presume for a moment that the Walkers have a He Who Walks Within or In-between, infection and then They That Oppose do as well, then just the mere fact that Vitto exists doesn't preclude the white court from having been infected.

Hell perhaps the vampire courts as a whole are nothing more than ancient disease vectors from Outside who have slowly been worming cracks open in the Outer Gates.

For the Lucifier side: I don't think Lucifier would stand at the unmaking of reality.  He isn't opposed to Life parsay, he is opposed to WG and the way He operates.  I think we will see the Denarians at the least becoming Almost allies.  Or at least 'least concern' by the end of the next book.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
« on: November 29, 2012, 08:07:29 PM »
Quote from: sjsharks on November 29, 2012, 08:02:41 PM
I don't think I'm understanding what your saying at the end there. But why would Nemesis be able to have blocked Maggie's death curse? It targeted his Hunger, not him.
Because targeting his hunger would eventually kill him.
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She brought Mordite to the dual with Ortega.
And I thought it was said that the Archive has the life and memories of all the past Archives. Wouldn't that give her immense amounts of willpower?
The mordite is a good point, but the whole reason she was targeted in SmF was that she still had the resistance of a child to outside influences, if I recall correctly (which I might be off)
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I had forgotten how much fun I had doing this. I'm glad I decided to come back  :)
Same here :)
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At that point in time, Justin was trying to get Harry to become a killer. HWWB was training Harry to become a scary magical power, and he succeeded. HWWB could have thought that he had Harry on his side at that point, or he may still think he can get Harry.
I just think it hints that the Outsiders are as fractious as Reality is, only from either perspective you see a slim portion of it (The front lines so to speak).  So while the Outsiders need only target a handful of true blocks on them (Winter, Warden, Gatekeep), they instead muck around with other things (ThirdEye, et cetera); and just like during the Cold War we presume our opponent is of single mind and conviction, when they aren't.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
« on: November 29, 2012, 07:56:43 PM »
Quote from: sjsharks on November 29, 2012, 07:50:39 PM
Actually, strike that. The Outsiders work together. All of them.
Actually we only have Harry's perspective that they do.  There is some ancillary evidence that they don't.  Notably the fact that Harry still breathes despite him being 'outsider bane' and HWWB having had a free shot at a young Harry.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
« on: November 29, 2012, 07:55:09 PM »
Quote from: sjsharks on November 29, 2012, 07:49:22 PM
The WK could have killed Harry, but it would have made him lose all of his power, and would have made him worthless to Nemesis.
Where do we have anything showing infection with Nemesis allowing for resistance of magic? I thought him shrugging magic off was more HWWB's work.
We don't, but the fact he works with HWWB isn't a point that he would be infected, and the fact of the matter is he would be free of the curse if it was Nemesis protecting him instead of HWWB, as Nemesis is part of him and HWWB is just a servant of sorts.

I'm just saying assuming he is infected maybe a wrong step.  Though if he is, Lara is as well as he is still alive.
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a few things on this.
1. Ivy can possibly fight it with her massive amount of will power.
She has massive amounts of magic power, not will power.  She has the will power of a young child.
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2. She has been in contact with an Outsider, and had an Outsider with her at one point
3. The end of the world is coming. And Harry's enemies are just getting stronger and stronger
4. Harry would hate to fight Ivy
When did she have contact with an Outsider?
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seriously... 7 new posts while typing...

I know I am missing like a third of them as this discussion is too much fun and I barely have time to keep up with you.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
« on: November 29, 2012, 07:42:53 PM »
Quote from: Second Aristh on November 29, 2012, 07:40:11 PM
Why does Ivy mean game over exactly?

She has all the knowledge of mankind that is ever written down, which means she knows the outergates and Demonreach.  She also has the magical ability of at Least the Ladies.  If she was infected, she could arrange for Rashid to be detained and killed, allowing outsiders to pour over the walls.  To say nothing of the fact that at the very Least Nemesis allows beings without free will free will, and she was still bound by the rules in her mantle in Changes.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
« on: November 29, 2012, 07:38:16 PM »
Quote from: tuttman1234 on November 29, 2012, 07:35:40 PM
Yeah, but I think we have to assume that at least one of the Denarians is infected. And if we have to assume that, then we must consider the fact that Ivy might be infected as well.
Ivy falls into the same category as Mab, Rashid and Demonreach.  If she is infected the game is over and we have lost; therefor she hasn't been infected.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
« on: November 29, 2012, 07:37:04 PM »
Quote from: sjsharks on November 29, 2012, 07:18:51 PM
Harry noticed it in Sith because he was directly breaking his word and his bonds, and the Sidhe just don't do that.
Yea his keen investigative abilities.
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Justine and Lara still have some form of proof they are infected, even if it isn't the most trust worthy source.
I assume you mean aren't infected, I agree, but its not 100% assured, and with Nemesis its almost safer to presume infection then not especially where bad girl(s) are.
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When did the White King stop Aurora? Also, he works with the Outsiders directly and has them blocking him from magic
that was me free thinking and combining sentences.  I meant I wasn't sold, because Harry had already been a thorn in his side and would have been removed at the mansion fucking the rules of guests.

In fact, I think I can state that the White King isn't infected, because he still put propriety on the standards of his court and behaved in a normal manner.  He utilized the outsiders as tools and weapons, but was still a weakling in the end of it because Harry's Mom's Curse.  If he was infected the curse too Might have been shrugged off.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
« on: November 29, 2012, 07:14:01 PM »
Quote from: Cenphx on November 29, 2012, 07:11:48 PM
Not to keep screaming my own theory every time someone says something related, but....i think Harry is infected, has been since he was 16. We have no evidence, that I can think of, to define outsiderbane. It could as easily mean the person who defeats the outsiders as much as it could mean immunity to them.     So I think, for the reasons already stated, Mab, Rashid, Uriel, Odin are not infected because too powerful. Infected would be the end of the story. The logic against Lara being infected makes sense. Other than that..'Everyone's a suspect.'

I think its hard to accept Harry is infected due to the fact that he stalls or outright stops the plans of the infected too often.  While I am not sold on the White King being infected, he stopped Aurora and we know she was infected.  We have strong evidence that the first Fivish books were all infected enemies, and Harry killed them all.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
« on: November 29, 2012, 07:12:12 PM »
Quote from: Clenzor on November 29, 2012, 07:09:09 PM
Mab could sense it in her Daughter and both of them are much much much younger than God and His Angels.  God would be able to sense it in His sons and daughters, and Uriel/other Archangels would be able to sense it in his/her siblings.  Hell Harry noticed it in Sith and he knew him for all of a month.  There is no way that God or the Archangels could be corrupted because as I said if they were the war would be over, and because they cannot be infected neither can the lower ranking angels. 
Harry realizing it in Sith is more Harry is an investigator, and so can put pieces together, than him Sensing it in Sith.  I think its safe to say the Archangels and WG are not infected for the same reason one can presume that Mab, Rashid, and DR are not.
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As for vanillas I am absolutely certain that they could.  If not Rashid or Mother Summer would have told him that he could trust them. I also think that Murphy's behavior was very suspect in Cold Days.
Murphy...I could see, but this is more Who isn't, than Who Might Be.  The reality is the Nemesis is much more insidious by making Everyone suspect.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
« on: November 29, 2012, 07:09:29 PM »
Quote from: sjsharks on November 29, 2012, 07:02:45 PM
Lara and Justine both have textual evidence supporting them
No they have textual evidence from a known infected agent implying (but not out right saying) that they are not infected.
If Nemesis completely replaces your will with its; Maeve hints that Justine or Lara are not infected when one or the other is, because there is a chance that Harry and Co are successful and it doesn't want to lose a more a highly placed foe.

If Nemesis doesn't replace your will with its; Maeve wants to interogate Justine for the exact reason she lays out.
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I don't think Rashid is infected either, I am just saying that he is more of a possibility then some other people
He really isn't.  If Rashid is infected, the war is over.  Its why him, DR, and Mab are the only ones I will say with 99.99% certainty are not infected.  The end result of their infection is loss of reality, since reality exists they can't be infected.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
« on: November 29, 2012, 06:58:21 PM »
Quote from: sjsharks on November 29, 2012, 06:33:48 PM
I am willing to add Mab and DR to the list, but not Rashid. I mean, come on. Nemesis is getting through.
Actually it got through once and is infecting from its original source (whomever the Athame belonged to originally probably), Rashid on their team would be disastrous, as he controls the gates.
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Lara, Justine, Lea, and Molly. other then that we can't be sure.
Actually, Lea on that group is the only one that is assured, and her by virtue of having been infected once.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
« on: November 29, 2012, 06:28:15 PM »
The Gatekeeper
Mab
Demonreach

Those three we can say with a fair degree of certainty are not. 

If Rashid was infected, the war would be over as he could allow all the infected through the gates.
If Mab was infected, the war would be over as she would pull her troops from the walls.
If Demonreach was infected, the war would be over as they could bring down prison wall.

All others should be suspected, which is what Rashid and Mab are/have done.

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DFRPG / Re: Wards, notes about what they can do
« on: May 28, 2010, 09:37:54 PM »
Just as a general comment about why Harry doesn't/hasn't put veils with his wards (whether or not other wizards do): Harry wasn't good at setting up a veil until after he started tutoring Molly and knew she was good with them so taught himself how to use them better to better teach her.

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DFRPG / Re: names for other Outsiders
« on: August 24, 2009, 04:04:03 AM »
In an attempt to pull the thread back onto task:

Since we know that the Walkers are a type, perhaps the first step in coming up with a name for outsiders is to come up with types.

Walkers - Physical brutish types (from He Who Walks Behind)
Watchers/Weavers - Plotters and Planners


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DFRPG / Re: Dresden Files - M&M Style
« on: May 01, 2009, 06:00:33 AM »
Just using AW/E/D I am not even sure would work well for Harry.  Really, 4th is just kinda advanced Vancian magic.  MAGE/Ars Magica would be an ok starting point for system tweaking, though.

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