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DF Spoilers / Re: James Butcher
« on: March 21, 2025, 03:37:27 AM »
Yeah, I read his two first novels and they are... fine? He went to the Jim Butcher school of making his protagonist a bit of a butt monkey, but in the case of Grimshaw Griswald Grimsby, he went a bit overboard and made him just pathetic in too many regards. While I definitely will get the third book of the series, coming out this month, so far the character hasn't convinced me yet that he is a worthy main protagonist, where Jim made Harry a bit pathetic, but also a lot of interesting in one book and has kept improving the character ever since.

I think he's pretty clearly going for an arc like Tavi in Codex Alera, where the MC isn't actually the crippled weakling he initially appears.  But, yeah, he's overcooked the setup by a good 20-30%.

What has me in some doubt whether to keep following the series is actually something quite a bit more specific.  Pretty much the central plot twist of James' second book struck me as being *far* too similar to something from TDF, and rather unsubtly executed besides.  He was clue-batting it so heavily I actually thought there was going to be some squirrelly twist within the twist coming to mess with his dad's fans who'd come to his series through TDF, but nope, he basically just did
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straight up with one of his POV characters.

I don't want to beat up on a beginning writer *too* much, but you can't be crossing the line of repeating your father's plot twists if substantially the same set of customers are supposed to be paying good money for your writing.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Grey Council… will we meet it in TM? Who is on it?
« on: March 21, 2025, 02:34:05 AM »
Agreed.
Also:  I suspect one of the things that gives Ebenezer a fair degree of heartburn is keeping Harry & Arthur each unaware that the other one is also secretly a member of the Gray Council.

I mean, Harry wasn't disguised at Chichen Itza.  If Langtry was there, he saw who they were arriving to bail out.

Also, Fuego is Spanish for Fire.  Harry didn't make it up, he just maps it to his fire spell because second languages are sufficient mental insulation.  He has a line in the flashback in GS where he first comes up with it against the Walker that references it being from Spanish class.  The shout at the battle was someone ordering the human mercenaries to start shooting, right before Ebenezar killed them all, and the commander was speaking Spanish because it's Mexico.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Speculation: Was Kemmler like Harry?
« on: February 22, 2025, 01:55:27 AM »
It isn't clear though how they finally did, or I don't remember it.  What I remember is that a bunch of Wardens together took him down, but I don't believe it said just how they took him down.  Actually I don't think they did, as I said a couple of posts ago, I think Evil Bob is actually Kemmler. 

My tin hat theory!

What if Bob has been Kemmler all along?  Bob is a spirit, can he be killed? Don't think so unless maybe Mab can do it.  Is that why Bob fears Mab? Or is it because Mab knows who and what he is? Anyway, so the Wardens "kill" Kemmler, but they don't really because he retreats in his spirit form, or Bob.  Bob is very useful so a Warden like Justin steals him for his own use.  Justin was a Warden, he wasn't always evil, but what if having "Bob" in his possession corrupted him? Turning Justin warlock?  "Bob" would know about star born, "Bob" would have plans for such children.. Monkey wrench into the plan, Harry Dresden. Harry kills Justin, takes the skull and names the spirit, "Bob."  Just naming the spirit begins to transform him, also Harry orders him to forget the evil stuff he knew before Justin died.   Thus it was until Harry needed information about Kemmler and ordered a reluctant Bob to call him up.  Evil Bob emerged and nearly killed Harry, after that Bob was so horrified he cut himself off from his evil "memories" for good.  Those memories became Evil Bob who we met in Ghost Story, or was it really Kemmler?

A lot of WOJ's about Bob would have to have been lies by Jim to cover up a plot twist for that to be the case, but then again, that is something he'll do if it's an important enough plot twist.

Bob is plenty destructible, though.  Sunlight when he's out of the skull is a deadly danger to him.  Same for fire.

Given Harry's experience of walking around as a naked soul where fire was still a danger to him, too, I think that was probably key to how the Council got Kemmler for good.  There's a WOJ about the final execution involving a flamethrower - I think as the spirit comes out of the body, the fire gets that too.

Which, actually, also goes a long way toward an in-universe explanation for the witch hunts using burning at the stake.  I wonder if it was an early version of the Stokerlypse, with someone in the know recommending the Inquisition a way to conduct their executions that would actually end pretty high-level warlocks.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Speculation: Was Kemmler like Harry?
« on: February 17, 2025, 02:22:34 AM »
Why did it get so far?  Why was in only in freaking 1961 that the Council finally punched Kemmler's ticket, after all that?  World War I ran from 1914 to 1918/19 (depending on when you count it ending) and its aftereffects went on for decades.  Necromancy is a straight Law violation in itself.

We know from the Luccio in the Wild West short story that the Wardens had chopping Kemmler as a high priority objective as of ca. 1870-ish.  They actually did kill him repeatedly, the problem was he just kept coming back, presumably through the same or similar means as Team Harry interrupted Corpsetaker from managing.  What took them time wasn't hardening their attitude, it was figuring out a method to keep him down for good.

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DF Spoilers / Re: A crescendo of deliberate continuity errors
« on: January 31, 2025, 03:13:51 PM »
To be honest, Mab was quite hard in her first appearances. I mean, we have no reason to believe she is evil per se but she is not only ruthless but apparently a sadist. Later, that was not so much the case. So, even when I agree with you Mira that Harry was quite biased in his storytelling, there are some facts that justified his perception.

In the bigger sense, did Mab change?  Or did she have a calculated reason to think that fronting as extra sadistic in her first meeting with Harry was a strategic route to getting something she wanted?

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DF Spoilers / Re: A crescendo of deliberate continuity errors
« on: January 31, 2025, 03:00:58 PM »
If we've got to do the alternity story (I've commented before that I tend to dread those, though I've seen exceptional good ones), what I would want to see is that EvilHarry's other choices led to both good and evil outcomes that didn't happen here, and some good and evil outcomes that happened here didn't there.

I expect that.  Superficially, it would seem good to have avoided provoking the Red Court war.  But Shiro figured otherwise, that Harry provoked them into starting it when the forces were relatively evenly matched, rather than building up enough ramp numbers to hit the Council with overwhelming force after greater prep.  Shiro is pretty much as close as anyone other than Mr Sunshine gets to relaying Word of God in the series.

A decade and a bit more buildup would pretty much line up with MM.  We might see a mirror timeline with a shattered Council where isolated wizards are on the run as lone agents.  Morgan and his apprentice Molly, for example?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Harry's full name
« on: November 22, 2024, 06:04:37 PM »
Starborn is the key, I think.  Since Harry is starborn and has power over Outsiders and Outsiders have no power over him, Harry can say his name, or in this case use his name without harm or fear of attack from using it.

Furthermore, there was a WOJ that, basically, Harry is a somewhat unique case where others trying to use his name against him would instead be making themselves vulnerable rather than getting power over him.  That was in reference to Harry as narrator ending SF with his name and "conjure by it at your own risk".

That might be another aspect of being starborn besides just immunity to and influence over outsiders that hasn't been explored yet.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Whose the backup plan for...? - Battle Ground Spoiler
« on: November 01, 2024, 07:57:18 PM »
Vanilla humans have always had the power to summon Outsiders.  I believe that was the point in Blood Rites.

Free-willed humans, anyway. And, sure, the ritual to summon a champion like Behind worked OK with one low-level talent and two unpowered helpers, and maybe didn't strictly require Madge having been a weaker practitioner to pull off (although that probably helped get it done multiple times before making a fatal mistake). But the other methods that involve calling up a squad of individually weaker outsiders, like in CD, or DB / PG when the Reds were supported by mortal-summoned outsider foot soldiers, those do seem to need at least a low-level practitioner.

Even with the little fish being a lot more common than council-level talents, relatively few people want to sign on to unmake the world in the name of tentacled horrors from beyond.  As Harry puts it, most people don't want to mess up the place where all their stuff is.  But if you can upgrade a non-powered cultist who already has sufficient insanity, or empower some random victims who are too addicted to care about anything beyond more of the drug, that eliminates a bottleneck to bringing over actual armies.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Peace Talks line about Thomas
« on: November 01, 2024, 07:43:50 PM »
A good point.  So, that would probably only be the British (sounding) prisoner that Thomas might talk to, but only if that prisoner wanted to speak to Thomas. 

A near certainty. Harry's narration when confining Thomas to stasis and setting his communication rules said only one other prisoner was under the 'contemplation' protocol.  He didn't specify the Brit, but it's not exactly likely any of the raving monstrosities got the unique containment.

That said, yeah, the Brit didn't exactly seem like he much wanted to say anything to anybody anyway.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Whose the backup plan for...? - Battle Ground Spoiler
« on: October 31, 2024, 02:39:36 PM »
However the addict lacked any further talent or enough talent to be of use, so he was discarded and became yet another victim to drug addiction.

Perhaps ... but what I'm suggesting is that maybe the 3-eye project was working towards not just expanding perception, but granting vanilla users enough power to perform summonings.  Either through longer term use of what they were already making, or maybe Sells was stopped before he worked out a technical difficulty in getting a fully working formula.

From Nemesis' perspective, addicts who would summon some of its foot soldiers in exchange for their next hit would be pretty much ideal.  It doesn't need them to be high-functioning for much else.

Which leads to another related speculation ... what if Sells' lack of fear of the Wardens wasn't, as Harry assumed, because his tutor just kept him ignorant of how dangerous they were, but rather because Sells meant to summon a protector that could tank anything the Wardens tried to do to it?  That's got me wondering if Sells' toad demon that Harry fought was actually a minor outsider, and Harry just never considered it anything more than a Nevernever demon because his power actually worked on it, and it's received wisdom for him at that point that that means Nevernever demon, not Outsider?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Whose the backup plan for...? - Battle Ground Spoiler
« on: October 31, 2024, 03:16:52 AM »
What I find striking about that encounter, is the three-eye addict; who would have been a total newbie to the world of magic compared to a wizard, recognized the name of the Walker, as if it was written in bold letters on Harry.

A newbie, yes ... but the drug was a project of some of the outsider affiliates.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Sells and at least some of his accomplices had also been recruiting a lot of their customers into becoming outsider cultists, and teaching them enough of a smidgeon about the outsiders to become dangerous.  The whole project starts to make a lot more strategic sense for Nemesis if you consider turning on the sight in otherwise negligibly magical humans as step one of mass producing summoners. (If so, JB is *really* owed some big props for burying a clue that deep, that early)

All of which is to say, sure, the addict saw something and knew what it meant ... but he might have been more educated about that narrow slice of the supernatural than one would think at first.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Whose the backup plan for...? - Battle Ground Spoiler
« on: October 29, 2024, 12:56:44 AM »
3.  Drakul (probably on team evil - possibly a former human starborn who sucked in an outsider and now cohabitates with it mentally, immune to its control but warped by it anyways?)

That would be a real stretch of the WOJ that Drakul is "something inhuman that got trapped in human form".  The WOJ frames the inhuman part as the part that makes Drakul what he is, he's more than just a warped human.

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I had been presuming a sort of pre-programmed simulacrum, a miniature "spirit of knowledge" along the lines of Bob (or Lash & Bonea (and likely the Archive)) that Margaret had constructed for Harry before her death; albeit a vastly-lesser one.
But for this thing to be tracking all sorts of extra info -- Thomas, and Thomas' girlfriend -- happening out in the world, it'd need to be considerably more robust, not just pre-programming.  Able to conduct reconnaissance, to learn, to adapt... not really "lesser," in fact quite robust.

What if holo-Margaret was talking to Harry during the soulgaze because she placed it in Thomas, like a miniature version of the Fallen leaving a shadow?  The simulacrum's ability to learn would be limited to accessing whatever Thomas experiences.  She'd believe Justine was dead because Thomas believed it.  That would probably cut the difficulty factor considerably. And a simple construct would probably have pretty limited capacity to account for the host believing something but being wrong.

While Justine was near death is an excellent possibility for when she was Nemfected, though. Thomas thought she was already gone, Lord Raith would have had ample opportunity to let his allies get at her while she was convalescing.  It's not conclusive though, have been other Outsider collaborators in the White Court who could have got to her later.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Whose the backup plan for...? - Battle Ground Spoiler
« on: October 26, 2024, 01:00:54 AM »
The stain left by HWWB might be very disturbing for a wizard to look upon and if Morgan had ever used his Sight on Harry before, this would explain why he wouldn’t want to do so again.

The residue of the walker certainly seemed to make an impression when the ThreeEye addict looked at him all the way back in SF.

I've also wondered for quite a while about a connection between wizards looking at each other with the sight and a soulgaze shared between wizards and mortals.  Seeing the walker's residue would contribute to the running away screaming or psychotic breaks from some of the mortals who have looked Harry in the eye.  Sure, he's powerful and somewhat prone to a temper, but agent Denton thought he saw actual Hell in Harry all the way back in the second book, when he hadn't really done anything all that disturbing other than (probably) kill Justin in a fair fight.  But if Denton got a conduit to looking at the Outside?  That would do it.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Whose the backup plan for...? - Battle Ground Spoiler
« on: October 24, 2024, 06:13:16 PM »
If Listen is still alive, which seems doubtful after Harry buried him under a wall of dirt, he might be a candidate, but I'm just not feeling it.

Listen is a cockroach. Unless the body is seen on page, assume he's going to continue causing trouble.

I doubt he'd be amenable to switching to team Mab, though.

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