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DF Spoilers / Re: Mirror Mirror Tracking on Butcher's official site!
« on: November 19, 2025, 03:46:03 AM »
... I can't even say I'm cautiously optimistic that the series will be done in less than 20 years even with the recent developments (Butcher already tracking progress of Mirror, Mirror; his statements that he plans to be done with MM before touring on Twelve Months).  And no matter what I can't envision he'd ever get back to a Dresden novel every 18-24 months ...

I'm "cautiously optimistic" for just a hair under 20 years, presuming his health holds up (he's pretty fit, but no longer a youngling) and he doesn't suffer life-disrupting tragedies or logistical obstacles.

I'm figuring a 15-18 month per novel pace; alternating DresdenFiles with CinderSpires (as he says is his plan on an ongoing basis), that'd be 30-36 months before we're all abuzz with "Fight Night tracking on Butcher's Official Site".  I don't think faster than that is at all likely; but I'd be thrilled to be proven wrong!

FN (or whatever the title is) will be vol.19 of the DF; then 20, 21, & 22; by my estimate (above) taking 120-144mo = 10-12 years to wrap up "the Dresden Files" proper.

Then the BigApocalypticTrilogy, which (at one point) Jim said he saw as one big story, and planned to write as one big push, not alternating other books; figuring the "same" per-novel-pace for 3-in-a-row, and presuming his "palate cleanser" novel between the DF proper and the BAT, that'd be another 60-72 months = 5-6 years.

So 15-18 years, if my Jim'stimates are right and I did my math right (and RL doesn't strike).


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DF Spoilers / Re: Twelve Months, chapter one
« on: November 19, 2025, 01:27:17 AM »
I am not so sure, Mab may begin to see Harry as a threat, especially allied with Molly ...
I suspect Mab of having the kind of monomaniacal fanaticism that puts "personal survival" somewhere below her own top-3 priorities.  By her lights, any Winterfae who can take her out deserve to inherit the Queen of Air and Darkness' mantle, and she hopes they are at least as innovative & tricky in fighting the Outsiders as they were in killing her...

... And don't think she didn't take note, like the White Council did, that Harry has his own pixie army loyal to him and that they can do plenty of damage ...
It's questionable how much they can actually oppose Mab.  Between CD & SG, Mab subverted all the Pixie-borne messengers Harry tried to send to Molly (trying to get Molly's help with "the parasite").

Of course Mab absolutely noticed Harry taking down Aurora via Pixie warband; she will have immediately developed countermeasures for that, and anything derivative (such as Captain Hook's nail javelins); also their work intercepting Ethniu's kamikazes on the castle-roof, and more.

Mab has been living and breathing Winterfae tactics & strategies for over a thousand years, so even if Harry comes up with novelties, she will adapt incredibly-quickly (and she has an incredibly-deep playbook to draw upon).
 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Twelve Months, chapter one
« on: November 17, 2025, 03:03:26 PM »
Or Mab is secretly hoping that Lara will kill Harry.
No, Mab has been spending a lot of her time and energy on building up Harry.

Remember, Mab is the commander-in-chief of the armies of the Outer Gates, and has been for most of 1000 years; the wheels are turning and the cycles coming 'round, and a Big Apocalyptic event with Outsiders is coming.  And there's nobody in the mortal realm ("mortal" being a necessity for the WK role) who can do the whole "Outsider fighting" gig like a Starborn.

Mab needs to forge Harry to be as good a weapon as possible, and she's harsh with him because she sees that harshness as the best way to weaponize him.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Who will hurt more emotionally for Harry?
« on: November 16, 2025, 05:12:50 PM »
...  For example, it's possible Alt-Murphy will draw a weapon and start shooting at Harry the moment she sees him, because Alt-Harry is one of the bad guys...
100% this.
We know that the decision causing the MM divergence happens "at the end of Grave Peril," but not what that decision is, or how close to the end of the novel.

But we know that Murphy got trapped by the Nightmare who Fake-Harry'ed its way in.  A year later in SK, she's still combining drugs & alcohol to damp things enough to get a night's sleep (that was a huge trauma for her) and if Mirror!Harry isn't as supportive after SK, this could be the souring of their relationship... Harry turns to darker paths, makes deeper compromises; Murphy trusts him less and less; and by the time Harry!Prime gets to the Mirrorverse, Murphy sees him solidly as a BadGuy.

That said, not a shoot-on-sight target; but certainly an armed-and-dangerous / hand-on-holster / do-not-trust individual.


Imagine a worse case scenario for Harry.  He is forced to kill Alt-Red Court Susan.  She won't be the youngest vampire any longer.  There won't be a noble cause behind Harry's actions, just Harry surviving a terrible situation.  Something like that would change what Harry feels in big way.
One of the very-real possibilities of Harry's "decision" is that he decided to trade Susan to Bianca, when Bianca made that offer (at the beginning of the climactic fight).  In that case, "Susan" is gone and only another blood-sucking monster exists in a Susan-shaped fleshmask.

Or, Bianca could have spent the intervening years using the Rampire's time-honored "Jaguar Warrior" training-methods to brainwash Susan into fanatic loyalty.

Either of those would be their own whole serving of trauma for Harry!

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DF Spoilers / Re: Twelve Months, chapter one
« on: November 16, 2025, 04:40:21 PM »
... That might be their plan, but I doubt that it will be that simple or that Mab will be fooled by it ...
Of course it won't be easy, and of course it won't fool Mab!
But IMO Mab doesn't want the marriage to go through:  she wants things that she expects to happen during the engagement.

So long as they show no overt disrespect to the Queen of Air and Darkness, Mab will be 100% satisfied with them not getting married.

I'm sure she has contingencies for if the marriage does take place, too.

... It may be another of her not all that transparent plans to take either or both Harry and Lara down at least a peg.  You can bet that Mab has a plan, and it isn't what she claims, a stronger alliance between the Winter Court and the White Court.
I'm pretty sure that Mab is pretty sure that there is some locus of Nemfection in the White Court, and that she intends to hit it with a "patented Harry Dresden anarchygasm" boosted by Winterknight steroids.

Incidentally, she forces Harry (yet again) to operate with an uncomfortable ally, to do diplomatic & social things, etc -- weaknesses of Harry's, that Mab is working to strengthen.

Also, Papa Raith has a substantial library around the Starborn cycle & current iteration of the apocalyptic Outsider invasion, and I'm sure Mab has more than an inkling of that... and that getting access to it for her Starborn Winterknight will substantially bolster his Outsider-fighting ability.

If they do get married, I expect the consummation to turn violent (and Harry will kill Lara):  WoJ has stated that Whampire-Mojo and the Winterknight-mantle interact in explosive and uncontrollable ways.

Mab will put success on any of these fronts into her "Win" column, and I 110% expect that she has other agendas I haven't spotted.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Who will hurt more emotionally for Harry?
« on: November 15, 2025, 06:31:08 PM »
See, here's the thing. What if the mirror mirror version of Susan was a simple homemaker with kids. She than offers Harry a chance to just give up and have a storybook life. No monsters. No courts. A family life that he could raise his daughter. He'd be free of the winter knight contract. Think how painful it would be to turn that down. Remember in Summer Knight I think when the summer lady gave him a brief moment free from his pain. Think how much more pain he's in now. That's why I think the Susan one will be harder. Because he KNOWS Murphy will hurt to see. 

Susan was half-turned, though, and that will likely still be true in the Mirror'verse (unless she got all the way turned there).  The "simple homemaker" future isn't possible for her.

Nor can Harry escape HIS contract:  he's still got a WK-mantle inside him, and both Mab & Maeve thus have hooks deep into him (I can only imagine Lloyd Slate will be bewildered and even-more violently psychopathic if confronted with another WK).

Moreover, Harry (being Harry) isn't capable of just laying down all his worries and chilling.  Not when the monsters are out there preying on mortals.  And WoJ states that the Mirrorverse is in worse shape than Dresdenverse-Prime.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Twelve Months, chapter one
« on: November 15, 2025, 06:20:19 PM »
I expect the Winter-knight X Whamp-princess engagement to bring Harry & Lara closer together...

Not because either of them want it, but because they need a closer alliance to figure out how to wiggle out from under Mab's edict.

How that all plays with PTSD-Harry, I'm unclear.

... The White Court feeds on emotion, is also burned by it, Harry's searing grief may make their relationship impossible ...
Each Whamp has particular hunger/weakness pairing, and they don't really interact with other emotions.
Raith hungers for Lust, but is burned by Love.

So far as we know, Skavis(despair/hope) & Malvora(fear/courage) get nothing from Lust, nor do they suffer from Love.

None, so far as I know, interact directly with grief... though maybe in the Dresden'verse grief has "despair-adjacent" qualities?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mirror Mirror Tracking on Butcher's official site!
« on: November 13, 2025, 11:08:11 PM »
...  Maybe more isn't better?  Edit the number of books and finish the series sooner.

Given that BG was # 16 +1, taking the original 20vol series to 21...
and 12M is #18, taking it to 22...

I don't think Jim in heading in the direction you have suggested!

 :o

He went 15 novels without adding any "extras" and now we've had TWO.  There are 4 more to go before the BAT and I won't be surprised if there's another extra in there...   ::)

It's gonna be so tragic for so many folks when it all finally wraps up after the BAT!
Whatever will we all find to complain about?
Which successful author shall we criticize for their writing habits?
 ;D

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I seem to remember reading here I think, this was before Butters became a Holy Knight that Jim had eventually was going to make Marcone a Holy Knight.  Actually if you follow the first few books up until Changes, the way Marcone would aid Harry, that seemed like a real possibility.  Butters was also meant to be a one or two book character, but that changed with fan response to the character.   So Jim decided to keep Marcone the hardened mob boss that he is, and Butters went on to become a Holy Knight.  Now that Marcone has taken up Namshield's coin and as a result become a powerful wizard, all bets are off.  Marcone did save Harry's life at the end of Battleground, but considering that he is now host to one of the Fallen, could turn out to be very misleading as far as thinking that Marcone will now repent.  I doubt it, or if he does it won't be because he has moral qualms about hosting one of the Fallen, it will be because in my opinion he hates to be subservient to anyone.  Oddly for very much the same reasons Harry resisted Lasciel's coin. 

We also had Sanya, who went from Denarian Knight to being one of the Cross.
So it's possible.

I agree Marcone isn't ready right now.

But also recall that his fundamental core drive revolves around the little girl who was shot instead of him; which is not the fundamental core drive of an amoral mobster.

I could argue that the rest of his life has been devoted to making that kind of tragedy less likely; yes, he's a ruthless crime boss... but remember to include:  he's ruthless about suppressing that kind of violence.

But if he wasn't being most of what makes a "ruthless crime boss," someone would supplant him; someone more ruthless, more amoral.  And the little kids would begin catching more bullets again.

It may be a very, very short flip of a switch for Marcone to go from Coin to Sword.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Twelve Months, chapter one
« on: November 13, 2025, 12:26:16 AM »
... how the clock could have survived the fire, and yes, these unlikely things happen in disasters

 maybe Harry just went out and bought himself a new one?  They still make Micky Mouse alarm clocks and they are not all that expensive, even Harry can afford one.
Both of these also occurred to me!
TBH, either seems an entirely-valid explanation within the context of the story.
Also, Molly might have got one, or one of the Alphas, or any other of his friends who had a chance to notice it.


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DF Spoilers / Re: Mirror Mirror Tracking on Butcher's official site!
« on: November 12, 2025, 11:58:10 PM »
... keep on track, as in finish one series before he starts writing the next ...

Jim has said that he often uses one series as a "break" from the other series; by the time he's finished one of the DF novels, he's kind of sick of writing Harry.  But if he writes in another universe, he comes back to the DF enthusiastic about it.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mirror Mirror Tracking on Butcher's official site!
« on: November 10, 2025, 03:16:57 PM »
  Hope it doesn't screw up the quality of the book, these things tend to go at their own time.  But then again it might mean I will be able to finish the series before I die... ::) 

It's the first time, I think, that Jim has been partnered in his life with another published author.  I suspect she'll have more experience of what an author actually needs, and be more-able to support him.  OTOH -- being a working author herself -- there's also some potential for her to draw off some of Jim's "writing mind" to support her.

I suspect we won't actually know how the time-and-attention flow works for Jim until we see several novels' output & timing (it may take that long for them to settle into their "new normal"): will he be on-pace for his prior best production rate?

I don't think we can hope for "novel-per-year," because these latest volumes are chonkier than the ones he was writing at that place (not counting first 3;(SF/FM/GP all published 2001, presumably because he was grinding away at writing while the first one was moving slowly through the agent/editor queue (as per an unproven author) rather than being given "nearly guaranteed NYT besteller" treatment/priority)... but the next ELEVEN novels were one per year(!) ... then blipping up to 1.5 years for SG; so 18 months per novel is my hope; but (alternating with Cinder Spires) that would be THREE years between DF novels   :_(

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DF Spoilers / Re: Twelve Months, chapter one
« on: November 10, 2025, 02:47:02 PM »
Exactly, and this time Jim nailed it, at least for the first chapter. 

I think so, too.

OTOH, it's noteworthy how many people -- in this thread! -- are reading the chapter and seeing "sloppy writing" as their first (or at least equally-likely) explanation.

I suspect the "general DF reading population" will have a similar experience.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Twelve Months, chapter one
« on: November 10, 2025, 02:02:45 AM »
Yes, of course. His pain and state of mind are well written. I hope. The other option is that Jim's writing is a mess. 

Harry is a mess.

Jim told us that he wasn't planning on 12M in his original plans, but has come to realize that he needs to write the process of Grieving Harry, Stressed-to-mental-unwellness Harry, PTSD Harry.  As Mira says, that's what we're reading... that's (very much, for very many who go through it) exactly what it's like.

I think Jim wasn't exactly clear how Harry sees things, how he acts, on the far side of that process.
Jim needed to write Harry's experience, to find out about Harry for the rest of the series.

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I agree that merely taking up a coin wouldn't change Johnnie enough to allow another soul daze with Harry.  Now maybe giving up the coin and deciding to live for the sole benefit of others would be a more fundamental change,  but so far Marcone is still serving Marcone.

MerlinHarry is the custodian of ExcaliburAmoracchius, and WartMarcone is still growing into being ready...  but he's already the Baron of Chicago (sovereign of the region).

The main reason I don't think this is very likely is that the alignment of people is just so clear... makes it look to me like Jim is dropping a big fat Melvillian-scale red herring.

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