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MAEN, all :)

I'm only part way through book 7 at the moment, but I'm curious about people Harry meets who give off that little spark of "This person has some kind of magical talent". If they don't know they have it until after they meet him, and then ask him about it, would he direct them to someone or to certain books or anything if they wanted to learn more about cultivating whatever talent they might have? I was thinking about how he felt that spark when he met Shiela at Bock Owned Books and was wondering if she asked him for help figuring out her ability, what he would tell her. Granted, I haven't finished the book yet, or the rest of the series obviously, but am just insanely curious about that information and am hoping someone could tell me :)

Thank you for reading my inquiry. 

In general, there's a huge range of ability.  Harry can tell -- very roughly -- how much ability someone has, by the feel of them up on skin-contact.  Most are very limited, with very-specific talent; a few have broader, but weaker talents.  A few books further along, we meet a "coven" of  so-called "Minor Talents," and learn a bit more.  Many are so specific/unusual as to not really be able to benefit from Harry's training (or most other White Council wizards).

If you think back to "Fool Moon," you'll recall that Harry trained Kim Delaney for a while (happened off screen, before the start of the novel).  She was relatively strong, with a broad multifaceted talent... as minor talents go (well-below the caliber needed to join the White Council).  Harry had previously helped her a lot; but she was impatient, and he misjudged the new situation, stonewalled her search for more info (and tragedy ensued).  Harry usually offers help where he can; but often can't help all that much.

Dresden's own mentor, Ebenezer McCoy, is the author of one of the most-respected "magic apprentice primer" books; but young wizards also very-much need an actual mentor/master in their lives, as without oversight they can be the proverbial "danger to themselves and others."

Sheila in particular is an unusual case, however (about whom I'll say no more; you'll learn more this book, and Sheila will play a relatively big role in several future novels).



P.S. -- Welcome to the fandom!  I strongly advise you to *NOT* read most of this board, for now... they are not kidding when they named it "Spoilers"!!!

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DF Spoilers / Re: Why are Lara's eyes blue in 12 Months?
« on: March 12, 2026, 07:11:13 PM »
Just not sure I buy that she's been Hungry every time her eyes are described as grey, especially when they're described as getting silvery when she is shown to be getting Hungry.

I theorize that Lara cultivates a lowkey Hunger continuously; that she *intentionally* under-Feeds, and if she ever really indulges, then she avoids going out in public for a day or two, until her Hunger begins to stir again.

Being Hungry makes her sharper, more-alert, more-dangerous.
Being Hungry makes her sexier, more physical, more powerful.
 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Why are Lara's eyes blue in 12 Months?
« on: March 11, 2026, 12:39:51 AM »
I was just rereading White Night, and I recently reread Blood Rites. Lara's eyes were grey (dark grey normally, fading to silver when her Hunger was in control). Is there some missing explanation for why they are described as blue in 12 Months?

Yeah, I think the grey-to-silver tones are signs of her Hunger.
I think blue is the natural (purely-human) color of her eyes, when the Hunger is entirely quiescent.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mab (?) in Twelve Months
« on: March 11, 2026, 12:37:20 AM »
We know that Mab rode with the Conqueror, but we don't know if she was already Mab ...
Just so.
Now, what I'm wondering is:  which "Conqueror"?
Honestly:  I think most of the fans presume William of Normandy; I myself am much less sure.

For one thing: this snippet comes from Ethniu, who despises mortals!  I don't think she'd adopt so fanciful (and basically respectful) a title to describe any mortal whatsoever.
 

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DF Spoilers / Re: A Theory.. Some Thoughts..
« on: March 11, 2026, 12:32:27 AM »
  It's possible that it was Lea that made the promises to Margaret that her child would be protected, and then failed to protect her.  Harry would be, and is actually not happy of being deprived of his mother from birth.  Also though I think it is more or less clear that Eb kept away from Harry after Malcolm died to protect him, it could also be that Lea had a lot to do with him not even able to track young Harry after he was orphaned.
No, that was absolutely a Lea/Margaret bargain:  the "Faerie Godmother" bargain to protect Harry, made before he was born (because she died in childbirth, and was busily Death-Cursing Raith (so no bargain could be made at that point)).

Margaret still survived a wrathful Lord Raith as she fled from him, and onward through meeting/courting Malcolm.  It is this period that I think she had some separate bargain (with Lea or Mab) to keep her safe from Lord Raith's revenge; she would have needed that in place from the moment Raith realized she had fled.  I suggest Morgan being "unfindable" (via Titania) tells us exactly how Margaret kept herself hidden:  a major Faerie Power stepping in.

But Margaret gave up her own safety in her bargain to get Harry a Faerie Godmother (and that Harry-centered protective cover over her ended when Harry exited her womb).

... Yes, and no, Harry has asked Marcone's help on occasion, but using him more than "working with him." Actually they were using each other, Harry, because he needed Marcone's muscle, Marcone because he wanted to use Harry as a door to get him into where he has gotten.  If he hadn't been involved with Harry I think Marcone would still be merely the crime boss he was when we first met him.  After meeting Harry he realized the the supernatural world was key to even greater power.  As far as Mab goes once she bought his contract from Lea, Harry didn't have a whole lot of choice.  That was the whole point of her making him impale his own hand on the letter spike, while yes, Harry continues to try and do it his way, in the end he has to go along.  Up until Changes, Harry never exactly worked with Lea either, he was more afraid of her than working with her.  Harry didn't have a choice to go with Nic into Hell if you will recall, it was under orders, not only that but Harry and Mab had their own adgenda.
The point though is that -- if necessary -- Harry can and does work with people/entities that he distrusts... and even passionately hates.  So even if Harry thinks Lea had something to do with his mother's death and/or his father's -- it's still possible (after the frst shock and rage) that he'll be able to work with her, if it's truly needed (such as to protect his daughter).

... Mab may have chosen Lea for those reasons, but Lea's ambitions went beyond that under the influence of Nemesis, her accepting the Knife for herself at the party and not on behalf of her Queen is telling.  That wasn't the work of a day or two under the influence of Nemesis, I believe it was subtle and Lea wasn't aware until it was too late, by the time she did and confessed to Mab, it was too late to save Maeve who perhaps was the real target
I agree with almost all of this; but I think Lea's ambitions were always to kill Mab and usurp her Mantle.  That ambition is why Mab chose her in the first place!

What Nemesis did, was allow Lea to cheat.  To use tactics/methods forbidden by Winter Law, that Lea normally would never have considered (and possibly been unable to use, 'cos Winter Law is pretty hardcore like that -- sometimes more "physical law" than "legal code").

Maybe Maeve was the "real" target; but maybe it was Mab herself!
Lea s Mab's Handmaiden, after all; not Maeve's.
But I suspect it was a bit more opportunistic than that -- if you Nemfect the #2 in the Winter Court, you get a huge number of new targets you didn't have before!  It's worth taking a year or ten, figuring out your best next move.

... I disagree, while Mab no doubt knew of the Hunger Demon, I don't think she knew that much about it.  Remember what Lara said about it's history being a close kept secret among the White Court.  I do agree that the starborn/Winter Knight has been her plan for a very long time, and Margaret made it possible.
I don't think we actually have enough info to be sure how much Mab knew by when; maybe you're right and I'm wrong... but as a general rule I think the safer bet is on Mab to know a hell of a lot more than expected, sooner than expected.

I doubt we'll ever know for sure, unless someone asks Jim during an AMA, and we get a new WoJ!


... I sorta agree on Harry, but I don't think we have any clue about Elaine.  We know who Harry's parents were, we know the connections and talents of his mother, perfect setup to create a star born future Winter Knight.  We know nothing about Elaine's parents or their connections with Summer, if there was one.  The only thing so far that made her a possible candidate for star born is when she was born and her talent ...
Elaine's case is "only" circumstantial, true... but...
Bear with me, as I lay out the logic chain.
1.  Mab wanted to get a knight who was a powerful Starborn.
2.  To that end, she actually engaged in a "breeding program" to get Harry -- a strong "Salic Law" wizard born (on Halloween) from Margaret LaFey, and guided Maggie Sr. along the "starbabe plan" pathway.
2a.  Much of Harry's life was subtly guided by Mab (and Lea, acting as Mab's Handmaiden).
3.  But we also know Mab is about all about backups, contingency-planning, etc.
3a. Therefore (and here we get circumstantial), we can be confident that Margaret & her child were not the only Starborn efforts Mab was making!
3b. My WAG (this portion of it) is that the Mallory's (specifically, Elaine; but also, her parents as much as Harry's parents) were another of Mab's plans, to get another Starborn option.  I expect there were yet others (because Mab gonna Mab!).
3c.  I also WAG that Justin was Mab's pawn in this:  Harry was Lea's Faerie-Godchild, under Lea's protection.  How did Justin find him?  Mab sold Harry to Justin (and no doubt got an excellent price from Justin... for getting Harry exactly where Mab wanted him to be).
3d.  If Justin was Mab's pawn (and Mab saw to it that Harry got to Justin) then potential-Starborn Elaine looks too similar to ignore, and like Mab did that one too (Mab/Lea certainly couldn't have overlooked Elaine at Justin's, so... ) .
(I could also see the whole "Mallorys as Starborn breeders" plan as Titania's work, but I think Mab is the one who's laying long-term plans quite that coldbloodedly.  I think Elaine went to Summer because -- at that point -- Harry was a lock for Winter, and Mab has her Thing about "balanced scales.")

... Possible, but I still think it was a conclusion Margaret came to on her own after being with Lord Raith for a while.  I think it very possible that Margaret actually did soul gaze Lord Raith and learned about the Hunger Demon and realized what it was.  I also think it's no real secret that at some point the BAT is coming and a leader hopefully a star born one would emerge.  Problem with that is until Margaret met Malcolm none of the star born were suitable because they were as bad or almost as bad as the Outsiders ...
I think it's very possible that Mab/Lea specifically aimed Maggie at Lord Raith:  she couldn't go to the Edinburgh library to learn more, after all!  And (per WoJ) Raith had a major library on the Outsider/Starborn/Apocalypse thing, because he had hoped/planned to be a "major player" in this cycle.  But I think Mab(Lea) had planted the seeds of the idea with Maggie, and then she needed more info (which she couldn't get from "regular wizard sources" (i.e. Edinburgh)).

I suppose it's possible that Maggie learned the Hunger Demon secret from Soulgazing Raith... but it seems profoundly unlikely.  Harry 'gazed Thomas and Lara, Carlos 'gazed Lara... I think wizards soulgazing Whampires cannot be all that rare an occurrence; and yet, the secret is not commonly known to the White Council.  Ergo, even Soulgaze isn't enough to spot their nature (which fits, actually -- not even Rashid in the center of his power (at the Gates that he Keeps) can reliably spot them).

I don't think the "coming Apocalypse" is actually all that well known.  It's obvious to the Really Big Powers, of course, and a few stupid-lucky wizards who somehow survive repeated poking their noses into the business of Faerie Queens and Denarians and Ancient Gods (like Odin & Hades)... but there's not actually many who survive that level of stupidity!  And it's not actually clear to Harry, even yet.

... Remember what Lash said about Margaret delibrately conceiving a star child with Malcolm because of his qualities.
That's not what Lash said:  she said Harry was born for a reason, but not that the reason was Margaret's.  I'm sure Margaret had her reasons, but I don't think those are what Lash was talking about.  I think when Margaret took up with Malcolm, turned her life around... her reasoning became much less comprehensible to the Fallen.

I think Margaret was just a pawn, and the "real" reason (from Lash's POV) were Mab's & Uriel's reasons.  I think that Margaret was unaware of those plans, and unaware that she had been manipulated so badly.   :-\


... I agree that Uriel had a lot to do with putting Malcolm in Margaret's path.  I think Uriel was well aware of the need for a star born to fight the Outsiders but at the same time aware of the flaws in the star born.  Free will still enters the picture, Uriel couldn't make the two of them fall in love, all he could do is nudge here and there and hopefully love and free will would take it's course.
Agreed all 'round.

But I suspect Uriel had a really good idea what a profound effect Malcolm would have on Maggie.  Recall that early-Maggie was actually very idealistic, her "danger" was that her ideals were destabilizing and were unrealistic about "unintended consequences."  But she was good-hearted in her goals.  Later in life, she seems to have become embittered, cynical, etc.

Malcolm reignited her idealistic flames; Uriel knew the banked fires were still there, they just needed feeding... Malcolm fed her soul.

...  Justin didn't even try to be an example for Harry to follow, he had his own agenda as far as either Harry or Elaine goes.  Justin didn't care what kind of person either kid grew up to be as long as he could use them for his own purpose.
I know the Party Line about Justin.  I'm not certain that this isn't another fake-out from Jim; it's possible that Justin is another "secretly a good guy" figure.  But I'm far from sure of this idea!!!

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mab (?) in Twelve Months
« on: March 10, 2026, 09:33:54 PM »
... We don't know if Titania has been replaced.
We do, though -- Mab & Titania were born twins.  Presumably they became fae around the same time, with a pair of Ladymantles.

We have "over a thousand years" that Mab has been Mab (i.e. Queen of Winter) and I suspect, particular, it was about 1330 years ago (roughly Arthurian era) -- because that's 2x the 666year Starborn/Outsider cycles (rounded down to the nearest decade).  Those big Outsider-Wars are hard on the Fae.  Or maybe go for 3 of those cycles, and we're back to the time of Yeshua son of Mary ...

We don't know how long Mab & Titania were Ladies, though.  Immortals, they could have lasted a long time!
Even the names aren't great clues -- "Mab" is Celtic(Brythonic) in origin, "Titania" is Latin, first recorded in Ovid.
Maybe a Celt/Roman couple who had twins, and named one for each background?

But in any case, the Queens have been replaced much more than the Mothers have;
and the Ladies more-often still;
and the Knights get used up like a box of Kleenex during cold-season.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mab (?) in Twelve Months
« on: March 10, 2026, 02:26:04 PM »
Mother Winter can be called/summoned/contacted using three different goddesses' names. This to me implies that the Mother Winter "mantle" (if it even really is one) is much more powerful than any other mantle we've seen so far, and almost certainly would completely consume and replace the potential vessel, personality and all.

I do agree though that she was there way before the concept of Winter Queens or Ladies (if not faerie courts themselves) was ever created in the Dresdenverse.

There's a relevant WoJ:
Quote
1. the mothers – how does a queen become a mother? like after a thousand yrs, old winter dies and mab becomes the new mother?
Essentially abdication.  The previous mother wearies of her duty and moves along.  There’s been one new Mother Summer during recorded human history.  Mother Winter has never retired.
-- https://wordof.jim-butcher.com/index.php/word-of-jim-woj-compilation/woj-on-the-fae/

So one Mother Summer has voluntarily retired, but Mother Winter never.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mab (?) in Twelve Months
« on: March 09, 2026, 10:42:17 PM »
  I don't think it has to have, I think the mantle on it's own accord would go to the nearest available vessel.

Doubtful.
Demonreach is all about capturing Powers.  If Harry were to genuinely target Mab, her Mantle would be captured (stripped of  her Mantle, Mab is likely a broken mortal shell).

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DF Spoilers / Re: Will and Georgia’s child
« on: March 09, 2026, 10:38:42 PM »
...  However what I find strange, in 12 Months, Will is always at the castle, early morning, fixing breakfast, late at night, working out, taking notes.  Will has changed since the Battle for Chicago, even Harry mentions in 12 Months that Will frightens him, however he can't seem to put his finger on it.  The point I am getting to this means Will is away from his family a lot!  Georgia is a capable woman, but I know of few mothers who would be happy about her husband gone a lot, especially with a young child at home.  What about Will's work or his business?  That too is being neglected, yet Will never mentions, wife,child, or business to Harry, positive or negative ...

Agreed; this is very strange indeed.

I can understand if Harry, in his grief, doesn't notice the anomaly.
But it's odd that Jim didn't address it at all.

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DF Spoilers / Re: A Theory.. Some Thoughts..
« on: March 09, 2026, 10:33:38 PM »
  I remember reading a comment that Jim made about at some point Harry is really going to be pissed at Lea ...
IIRC, Jim said "if Harry knew what she had done..."

I don't know if Jim intends to have a Big Reveal moment for this (where Harry finds out); or if it's going to be one of those "backgrounder" elements (like the Oblivion War) that Harry's never going to learn about.  Or if Jim himself hasn't yet decided (this is where I think Jim is (or was when he spoke at the time)).

I agree though, that Lea killing Malcolm would qualify; and it's... not an unlikely scenario!

But also:  I think Harry's POV might be that Lea "killed" Maggie Sr. by withdrawing the "Cannot find/target magically" protection from her, in the moment Harry was born.  I mean, it probably happened more or less automatically -- Lea didn't "pull the trigger" -- but it doubtless happened with Lea's full awareness & consent... she could have extended the coverage/protection (at least for a little while).  I just don't think Harry has connected those dots, yet (and may never).

... somehow I can't see Harry ever being resigned to that and that would blow up Mab's plans big time. So I don't think that happened ...
And yet Harry can & does work with entities he hates.
He worked repeatedly with Marcone.  He worked with Lea, despite distrusting her; and with Mab, back when he considered her the "archetypal queen of wickedness, who could teach a lesson to all the other villains."  He literally followed Nicodemus to Hell, in SG.  What Lea (presumably) did to Maggie, and/or Malcolm, may be unforgivable.  But it won't necessarily be the end of everything.


... Unless, Nemesis was already manipulating Lea to some degree.  We know her desire for power even before she got the Knife in Grave Peril ...
WoJ says Mab chose Lea as her Handmaiden way-back-when because Lea would be the challenge Mab needed to stay on her toes, to sharpen herself against.  I think Lea's ambition was simply the pathway Nemesis found, to entice/seduce Lea.

... My theory is that Lea and Mab encouraged and talked Margaret into taking up with Lord Raith.  Why?  Because Mab wanted to know, needed to know what was behind the White Court's power, what was the Hunger all about? ...
The Whampire Court has been a thing for the entirety of Mab's tenure as Queen of Winter, and her information-gathering abilities are extraordinary.  I think she already knew the nature of the Hungers.

I think Mab put Maggie into Raith's path *specifically* in conjunction with the "starbabe" plan.  I think Mab's "get a Starborn Winterknight" goes all the way back that far, to years before Harry's birth!

... she wanted to see for herself just how well her star born Knight would do up against it... 
This, I agree with.  Harry's whole "Hero's Journey" growth-path includes a major component of him powering-up to be able to face the BAT; it was a "test" but also another training-exercise, building up his ability to handle that sort of foe on a sustained basis (not just a brawl but a negotiation); as Mother Winter says, it is among the least of them... but as Mab points out, it's still one of them (and while Harry needs to grow fast, he needs to not be broken in the process, by facing too-tough a challenge too-soon).

...  But back to Margaret, what Mab hadn't planned was for Margaret to have a child by Raith.  I am unsure at this point how Thomas fits into Mab's long term plans and goals, he has complicated them a bit, but not sure if she can use him to her advantage one way or the other.  I think Mab got lucky when Margaret met and fell in love with Malcolm, simply because that motivated Margaret to leave Raith.  I believe Margaret as Raith's lover had not only found out just what the Hunger Demon was, ( Mab's plan to begin with) but she gained enough information to know that while she herself couldn't kill it, she knew how to stop it from feeding and deprive Raith in her death curse of much of if not all of his power. 

Margaret knew very well what a star born was, and that being one gave a star born power over Outsiders.  She also knew that the known star born, or at least the ones introduced in the series as known star born aside from Harry, have serious flaws.  As in being power hungry and brutal among other things.  This is where Malcolm comes in, repeated over and over again along with Harry's strong will is the fact that he inherited his father's good heart or nature.  This, if Lash is to believed, gave her the idea that with Malcolm as sire, Margaret could not only give birth to a star born child, but one that could lead the fight against the Outsiders. Mab encouraged this line of thinking, then Margaret proceeded to bargain for Harry to have a real Fae godmother, i.e. Lea.  However I think both parties were holding back in the bargaining process, Margaret never told Mab that Malcolm understood and agreed to conceive this child.  That Margaret reasoned that this star born child would be different from those that came before him.  Mab held back from Margaret her plans on just how she would use this child to her advantage and manipulate him... 

I go much further back for Mab's plans:  she knows the whole Starborn/Apocalypse cycle.  She wanted a Starborn Winterknight, this time around; perhaps her WK last cycle failed in the face of Outsiders?  So she looked around... and found Margaret, already rebellious & a "Wayward" daughter (pun absolutely intended!).  Nice strong magic talent, great for passing along to her kids.  Perfect stock to breed a Winterknight!  I doubt that was Mab's only such plan; I more than halfway-expect that Elaine Mallory was another such (but "balance" called for Summer to get Elaine, as Winter was getting Harry).

I think it was Mab -- acting through Handmaiden Lea -- who carefully hinted to Maggie Sr. about the coming Apocalypse, about the Starborn/Outsider cycle, and what a Starborn was & could be; enough to plant seeds of curiosity, coyly refusing to say more, to reveal expensive/potent secrets.  Maggie could do a bunch of her own research, fill in her own details; she thought the "starbabe" plan was her own... but it was the plan seeded by Mab.  It was the plan Maggie was trying to get the Blackstaff onboard with, that fateful night when Ariana saw the two of them "arguing like family."

I'm unclear why (& how!) exactly Maggie left Raith Père (but I think she left her "starbabe" plan behind when she left Raith).  I presume the Awesome Vampire Sex was still being Awesome.  We saw in 12M that Lara got Harry to the point where she *could* have broken his will, if she had wanted (also note how much the WC & Eb & early/mid Ramirez worried about Harry being brainbent by Whamps -- Whampire control of wizards is clearly a "credible threat").  Maybe Raith (at that point, still much stronger than Lara!) was coming close to breaking Maggie's will, and she realized & bailed-out?  Maybe she realized that giving Raith&Co access to a Starbabe was a  Really Bad Idea(TM)?   Maybe it was Lea:  she's the Faerie demigoddess of Muses/Inspiration, maybe she "inspired" Maggie to flee (Faerie power on the Leanansidhe's scale is one of the things likely to be able to overcome a Whampire-addiction; and Mab's power was likely available as backup if needed).  Maybe it was "all of the above, plus more."  I presume Mab or Lea to be part of Maggie's escape, simply because we haven't seen anything (other than Morgan's "untrackable" favor from Titania) that could have kept Raith's Entropy-Curse spells from targeting Maggie & (sooner or later) killing her.

Enter Malcolm, Stage Left.  A truly Good Man (KotC-level Good, though not a Knight).  This was Uriel's play (obviously), but given the Mab/Uriel shenanigans we have seen, I don't doubt Mr. Sunshine was more than marginally aware of what Mab had simmering in her cauldron!  But after swimming for a decade in the shark-infested waters with Whampires & Rampires & we-don't-know-what-else, I imagine Margaret LaFey's soulgaze with Malcolm was a life-changing experience (and I expect Uriel had a damned good idea what that impact would feel like to her).  But falling in love with him, her old hopes to Change the World for the Better flared up again:  perhaps a starbabe born & raised by such a Good Man could after all become the force-for-Good in the world that she originally had hoped for?  Also maybe a healthy dollop of old-fashioned "in love, want to have children together;" but she had to at least have been willing for Harry to be a Starborn:  she knew the "starbabe how-to" (and thus how-not-to) & could easily have prevented it ... if she had wanted to insure she wouldn't put that destiny onto her&Malcolm's child.

... A huge reason as to why Mab has only been partly successful in her manipulation, is that part of Harry's nature that he inherited from his father.  Mab didn't exactly get the star born Knight she thought she wanted, she has actually gotten the one she needed.  Over time since Harry has become her Knight, I think she is beginning to see that.
I don't think she has seen that, no.  She recognizes that she's got a stronger, better knight than any she's had in a long time; and (since he is the reaping of her decades-old sowing) she thinks she understands why he's so much better; but she's wrong.

I think it's Harry's rearing with Malcolm that makes the difference, not an "inherited" trait.  Aristotle (or maybe the Jesuits; it depends who you ask) famously said, "Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man."  Malcolm raised Harry for those first few formative years.  I don't think Mab understands in the slightest what that really means; to the extent she (thinks she) knows, she considers it "softness" and "weakness" and she is trying to purge it from Harry. But it's too much a part of who and what he is.

Much more than her harsh methods, Harry's strength is based upon love itself, learned from Malcolm.

... The relationship between Lara and Harry is merely the next phase or step in Mab's plans leading up to the coming battle. Stay tuned..
Oh, I'm 100% onboard with this!  Everything at this point is Mab's work preparing for the upcoming Apocalypse (or defending herself, so as to minimize the cost, so she's more-ready for the battle).

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DF Spoilers / Re: Will and Georgia’s child
« on: March 08, 2026, 02:21:09 AM »
  Truthfully in the case of a werewolf, I don't think one can assume anything. 

That may well be true; but Harry has been at some pains to point out -- in various contexts -- that the Alpha's are "just" wolves -- essentially indistinguishable from real wolves (unlike the Loup, the Hexenwolves, etc).
 

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No, there was a point to it, she was making a point, she could control him.  It wasn't pain, for pain's sake, Mab was teaching Harry an important lesson, she had his contract, she could make him do stuff which he argued she couldn't.  So Mab forced him to impale his hand on the letter spike.   Mab believes pain can be a good teacher, one that Harry believed, one that he believed so well, that he was willing to kill himself because he feared by becoming her Knight he was becoming her complete puppet.
No, it wasn't out of spite, she had a point to make, and she made it.
No, it was a teachable moment, as Mab would say, Harry didn't believe she had his contract with Lea, nor did he believe she could make him do what she wanted. Not exactly true if we are to believe Uriel's seven words, but Mab only had to deceive.  She wasn't lying because she could and can make Harry do anything she wants him to do.. However it was also a deception or bit of a lie, because while she can force him to do just about anything, she can't change him if he doesn't want to be changed.  Harry understands that now, he didn't when he agreed to become her Knight. 

You are remembering a different moment.
You describe correctly the one where she "proves to him" that she has his contract, by forcing him to stab himself.

Later -- as she's departing -- she hurts him, directly.
It's that moment she says, she did it out of spite.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mab (?) in Twelve Months
« on: March 08, 2026, 02:07:37 AM »
...  Which could have been Mab's plan all along, if she had to sacrifice herself, i.e. go to prison, the Queen's mantle would have gone to a very strong woman that she respected.
I don't think Demonreach has a mantle-stripping quality.
I know it's a fan-favorite, as a way to "rescue" Molly, or etc.  Demonreach has a  crapton  of power, but entirely lacks the finesse and the understanding of Humanity that would be needed to separate a Mantle.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Maggie's Name
« on: March 05, 2026, 02:15:36 AM »
I agree. If I understand correctly, human identity changes much than, for example, Mab's identity (Uriel would be an even more extreme example).  In fact, I am wondering if perhaps the Names that Chauncy got for Harry are not so usefur right now.

I suspect that they are:  Harry I think expects so, for one thing.

But also:  everyone who has Soulgazed Harry is still immune to further Soulgaze with him; and Jim has said that someone *can* reset that, and be Soulgazed anew, if they change sufficiently.

My suspicion is that both changes are changes to the Soul -- the core identity.
I doubt we will get clarity unless somebody asks for a WoJ during an AMA event.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mab (?) in Twelve Months
« on: March 04, 2026, 10:24:29 PM »
... I doubt Global Warming going completely out of control would be good for anyone.

Agreed, but I think irrelevant:  with Mab out of play, I doubt the Outsiders would be kept away from Creation long-enough for Global Warming to progress any further than a few research-wonks looking at data and going "oh, this looks bad... this looks really really bad..."

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