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Author Craft / Re: Titles!
« on: August 29, 2007, 02:31:15 AM »
I tend to have a really hard time with titles, but I have yet to find a muse so I limp along on my own. I've been having a little better luck recently, with titles like these:

Don't Roll Your Eyes When You're Undercover (YA murder mystery)
Up, Down, and Strange (YA sci-fi)
Champagne Death Wishes (murder mystery)

I love titles. A title is what catches my eye when I'm browsing for books. Some of my favorites: Eating the Cheshire Cat, The Pleasure of My Company, The Disapparation of James, The Cheese Monkeys.

--Sarah

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Author Craft / Re: A Conversation About Endings
« on: August 28, 2007, 10:22:34 PM »
I've never used an outline and never will. If I knew what was going to happen I'd probably not bother writing.


I wholeheartedly agree. If I know the story beforehand, there doesn't seem to be any point in writing it. 99% of the enjoyment I get from writing is being carried along with the reader, not knowing how it will turn out until I get there.

--Sarah

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Author Craft / Re: What genre are you currently writing in?
« on: August 24, 2007, 06:01:13 PM »
I have a bunch of stuff going at once right now. My YA murder mystery is the main one. Another YA that I guess could be construed as urban fantasy. At the risk of sounding derivative, it's kind of Harry Potter-meets-the-X-Men-and-Mulder-and-Scully. Another urban fantasy. What the heck? I didn't realize I wrote so much urban fantasy. I'm starting to lose track of what's what. I mostly write murder mysteries, but I like having something in a completely different genre on the side. And apparently that genre of choice is urban fantasy.

--Sarah

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Author Craft / Re: A Conversation About Endings
« on: August 24, 2007, 05:48:22 PM »
Agreed, but there's still lots of interesting stuff to be learned in how you tell a particular story well, which to me is kind of the point of talking about writing in the first place; I doubt many of us are participating in these conversations without the intent of telling our various stories as well as we can tell them.

Tragedy! I wrote a beautiful response and promptly lost it. So the excitement I had at first seeing this comment is a little dampened now. I have to try and remember everything I wrote.

Okay, I have been pondering story itself for a while. I wrote this long blog entry that I don't think anyone ever read. But it means that I can respond somewhat articulately since my thoughts on the subject are already organized.

There are good stories out there. (And by "good story" I mean plot, mostly. The stuff that happens.) Then there are well-written stories. Then there are good, well-written stories. A good story is not necessarily well-written. A well-written story isn't necessarily a good one. These good, well-written stories are much harder to find but much more satisfying. They make you gasp when you close the cover, and they stick with you long after you have recommended them to everyone you know before putting them back on the shelf. That's what I aspire to. It's hard. I'd much rather just concentrating on telling a good story, or on telling a beautifully crafted one. But those aren't the kinds of books I love. I love the ones that do both, and I want to write those.

There is so much value in discussing all these aspects of writing: the nuts and bolts, the grammar, structure (I HATE structure! It's so freaking hard!), as well as the creative stuff.

And my final input is that while I respect anyone who writes stories because it takes guts to just sit down and actually finish something, I think that anyone who doesn't aspire to write a good story that is also well-written is cheating themselves, and that's sad. Not everyone can write, but everyone who writes can get better. Always.

--Sarah

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Author Craft / Re: Do you fear being influenced?
« on: August 24, 2007, 05:25:50 PM »
I don't think influence is something you should be afraid of. The only time it's a problem is if your work becomes derivative or plagiaristic. And if you're serious about writing, there should be enough people looking at your work (including you) to catch things like that. Influence is good. Influence is part of inspiration. I think if you push away what you love in order to write what you love, you're distancing yourself from it, and that's not good. If you're writing something close to what you're watching/reading, etc., you just need to have your antennae up and pay a bit closer attention to your writing.

--Sarah

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Author Craft / Re: Science Fantasy worlds
« on: August 24, 2007, 05:21:08 PM »
Far be it from me to detract from the fascinating Michael Crichton debate (not being sarcastic), but I'm going to anyway.

I read C.S. Lewis' Out of the Silent Planet after much prodding from my best friend, and I was completely in awe of the world (and universe) he created. The man had an amazing imagination. It was beautiful in parts, and some places not so beautiful, but it was always very original.

I, too, enjoyed the world of Sharon Shinn's Angel quintet. Samaria was totally believable and really interesting.

--Sarah

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Author Craft / Re: Attachment to characters.
« on: August 23, 2007, 06:22:42 PM »
To my mind, that just makes it a more interesting challenge. Protagonist of my current primary WiP is going to be a fun sell on that account, because he is a highly trained, highly motivated person, committed to making the world a genuinely better place, and vehemently anti-democratic; he reckons a feudal system just needs people to keep their word in order to work, whereas a democracy needs them to be wise as well, which seems less plausible to him.

But do flat and completely boring have to go along with not likable ?

No, that's just how it happened for me. It was just this whiny girl who never did anything except react. The fact that I didn't like her either certainly didn't help. I have another main character who is extremely abrasive, just grouchy and sarcastic and not very nice. I wouldn't want to spend a lot of time with her in real life, but she is oh so fun to write about.

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I mostly write murder mysteries, and when I read other murder mysteries, it drives me crazy when the writers tries to get inside the villain's head because most of the time they don't get it right.


In what sort of ways do you feel they get it wrong, then ?

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Well, if a villain is a flat character, it's just not going to work to try getting inside their head. I think that's the case in Mary Higgins Clark mysteries (which I mostly like--don't get me wrong). She has this bad guy who is a very minor character and has little dimension or backstory, and then when she writes from that person's point of view, it's just cliche after cliche. I think if someone's going to spend the time writing the villain's point of view too, they should spend a little more time making that character three-dimensional enough to warrant his own point of view.

I've been trying to think of books written strictly from the villain's point of view, and I'm not coming up with much.  The ones I do think of, the villain could arguably be seen as the hero, such as Elphaba in Wicked, or Dexter in Darkly Dreaming Dexter. Yeah, it's the Wicked Witch of the West, but she's kind of the hero of her story. Same with Dexter.

I'd love to know if anyone has any examples of stories written from the villain's point of view. Undoubtedly someone will mention something totally obvious and I will feel stupid, but I can take it.

--Sarah

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Author Craft / Re: Attachment to characters.
« on: August 23, 2007, 05:56:29 PM »
I'm not at all convinced that for a character to be interesting and keep the reader's attention requires emotional attachment, and particularly not the forms of emotional attachment that make them sympathetic or likable.


Assuming we're talking about main characters, I think one has to be somewhat likeable to keep the reader's attention. (Unless you're going the opposite direction and creating an antihero.) And for me, personally, I have to have a main character that I somewhat like, or it's just one more thing that makes the story harder to write. On one occasion, I had to chuck 125 pages because my main character was flat, irritating, and completely boring, and I had written myself into a corner. So I changed the main character, instead focusing on a formerly minor character who was much more dynamic.

And no, I haven't really written from the point of view of the villain. I mostly write murder mysteries, and when I read other murder mysteries, it drives me crazy when the writers tries to get inside the villain's head because most of the time they don't get it right. Murder mystery villains tend not to have a lot of dimension, which is pretty unfortunate. For myself, I would rather not do it than do it badly, especially when it's not vital to the story.

--Sarah

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Author Craft / Re: Use of Music
« on: August 20, 2007, 11:05:34 PM »
Nothing of mine has sprung directly from music, but I find it very helpful when I write. It blocks out other noise, and when I find something with a mix of fast and slow songs, intense and light, it's good background. I've taken to burning CDs for every novel, sort of like a soundtrack. Thinking about the kinds of music my characters would listen to, or the songs that might describe them, gets me a little deeper into their heads, and that's always a good thing.

--Sarah

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Author Craft / Re: Attachment to characters.
« on: August 20, 2007, 11:00:37 PM »
I don't think you can really write well about a character you're not attached to. Whether people want to admit it or not, character is what draws us to stories. Reflections of ourselves or what we would like to be. And if you are distant from your characters as you write, your reader will be too. The more removed you are from your character, the easier it is for the reader to put down your book and walk away from it.

I get pretty attached to my characters, but not so much that I can't put them in tough situations or walk away when the book is finished. I do tend to have crushes on my male characters, but hey, they're much more fun to write that way.

--Sarah

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Author Craft / Re: Author In Progress
« on: August 20, 2007, 10:48:55 PM »
Wow, lots of writers and wannabe writers hanging around here. (And I say "wannabe" in the nicest possible way.)

I am 28. I've known since I was 13 that I'd be a writer, but I didn't have a finished novel until I was 25. NaNoWriMo kicked my butt all over the place, but it's gotten me two finished novels and a huge chunk of a third. I started writing bad poetry in seventh grade. In college, two of my classes were poetry workshops--very scary, but I have a style now, thanks to them. After a couple of embarrassing longer stories in high school, I started churning out short stories in high school, but they are mostly crap. I'm better at novels.

I tend to write murder mysteries, not always by design. So many times I start writing, and then someone trips over a body, and it's all downhill from there. But I also write some sci-fi/fantasy, and really bad literary fiction. Right now, I'm working on a teen murder mystery, a sort of fantasy-literary hybrid, something that is a bit of a Doctor Who rip-off just for fun, and I'm running to finish a couple of short stories before a contest deadline rolls around. And somehow I have to find the time to edit, rewrite, and submit. Ha. I eat deadlines for breakfast, with bananas.

--Sarah

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