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DF Reference Collection / Re: Something from the beginning of Cold Days that really bothered me(spoilers, duh)
« on: November 11, 2013, 11:36:18 PM »
Thanks for the clarifications.

I suppose what I'm wondering is, since Bob had not yet explained about how to actually kill an immortal, do we have any reason to believe that Harry expected the fae he killed at the party to survive in some form, though perhaps weakened?  Or did Harry realize he was destroying those he shattered (which, I realize, is sort of a strange question to ask since he turned them to ice and shattered them...but there are different rules for creatures of the Nevernever).

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Something from the beginning of Cold Days that really bothered me(spoilers, duh)
« on: November 08, 2013, 01:53:31 AM »
Can someone clarify the rules of immortality in regards to the fae, or in the DV in general?  Do you have to have a powerful mantle?  IIRC, Harry thought it was impossible to kill Maeve initially.  The same goes for the creatures on Demonreach (they would return eventually). I'm wondering at what point creatures get the ability to come back from something like what Harry did at the party.

Thanks.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Proof that Time Travel Harry did not fix Little Chicago?? (CD Spoilers)
« on: February 17, 2013, 09:49:08 PM »
Quote from: Ms Duck on February 17, 2013, 12:21:29 AM
frankly it all smacks of discworld's super strong androcentric principle, from which you can conclude the entire purpose of the universe was to supply me with a nice a sandwich and a beer.

Well, I think a universe dedicated to providing sandwiches and beer is something we can all get behind.  :)

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Proof that Time Travel Harry did not fix Little Chicago?? (CD Spoilers)
« on: February 16, 2013, 10:22:56 PM »
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In the DF, as far as we know, the other potential universes don't collapse- they continue to exist. That's why even someone who can see the future, like Mab, can't be 100% correct- there are two many possible future universes.

Maybe collapse was the wrong word.  I was trying to say that TTH was going back to a time before the universes diverge at the decision point.

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second, the idea that just because people face the exact same decision again they will make the exact same choice is probably a bit off too. Uriel says most people are predictable, but some aren't. In the zillions and zillions of decisions made in that time loop, all it would take would be a few key ones off to throw the loop out of loop.

But there will exist at least one universe where all the same decisions are made, and from one of those universes will TTH originate.


Now, this is all a little convenient.  Anything could be explained as "well, this is the universe where that is possible."  So I'm not sold on the TTH Harry idea myself -- Mab does seem more likely.  But I do think it has to be possible.

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DF Reference Collection / Re: Proof that Time Travel Harry did not fix Little Chicago?? (CD Spoilers)
« on: February 16, 2013, 09:30:58 PM »
A couple of things -- first, I listened to many of the books instead of reading them (job involves a lot of car travel, so it works out well).  So I can't easily refer back to the books, and therefore apologize if I misremember something that was explained.  Also, I'm approaching this from a "many universes" perspective. Okay, that being said:

I'm not sure free will is necessarily violated by time travel. If Harry goes back in time to fix LC, he would be alone in his basement (except for Bob, who may or may not have noticed).  So even if free will resets and everyone has the opportunity to make different choices, there really aren't any new conditions that would lead them to make different choices.  If you travel back but don't interact with anyone (or, in Bob's case, only interact with those that can understand the implications of telling your past self you were there and agrees not to -- or agrees to forget the interaction), there isn't really a reason to think free will is violated.

Looking at the issue with the assumption that there are infinite universes based at least in part on decisions that are made, there must exist a universe where Harry has the knowledge and power to time travel, as well as the knowledge of the need to fix LC.  When that Harry travels back in time to fix LC, he collapses all those universe divergences back together and makes his change.  So his actions redefine the conditions under which choices are freely made.

I'm not saying it's the most likely option, but I don't think it's impossible.


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