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DF Spoilers / Re: Why EVERYONE is ok with a wardenless demonreach
« on: January 04, 2023, 06:00:18 AM »
Two points.

1) I suspect LaFortier was Warden.
2) I also suspect Harry didn't do the Warden ritual, but the the Sanctum ritual- and there will be weirdness

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DF Spoilers / Re: Overarching point of first few books
« on: August 15, 2022, 03:27:50 AM »
I think it's exactly the opposite -- those were about maintaining the "masquerade" for the muggles.

Sells was working in the "undeworld" -- not only hard-to-trace-mundanely (being magic), but also hiding (as a criminal).  ThirdEye was seen as just another hallucinogen by the authorities, and the deaths were just mysterious deaths.  No risk of exposure.
Kravos ("the Nightmare") was even-further from Muggle perception, using dreams & mind-magic.
The FBI agents were also hiding their Hexenwulf identities.

Check again.

Three Eye granted Sight- veil destroying Sight- to mortals.

The FBI were trying to expose the loup garou to hide their own activities.

And Kravos was empowering ghost appearances with far more power.

All of these things would expose the supernatural- seeing through glamours and veils, undeniable ghost events, a real loup garou.

Marcone was the obstacle against literal widespread eye opening to the supernatural- no surprise the second plot aimed at his removal.

Edit: As a further note, Sells worked for SilverCo and was using rituals. Harry got involved after meeting Marcone- the major obstacle to spreading 3 Eye- in his car.

The second book was targeted, through a cat's paw- at Marcone.

Truth, I also think Lord Raith was the primary antagonist through the first few books

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DF Spoilers / Overarching point of first few books
« on: August 12, 2022, 03:52:11 AM »
Bit of a one-off thought I've yet to see anywhere.

The first three major cases- Sells, Kravos, the Hexenwolves- they were about revealing the supernatural world in an undeniable way. Chicago was picked for its proximity to Demonreach, but the point was to do what Battle Ground did- tear down the veil.

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DF Spoilers / The castle and the island, theory
« on: August 01, 2022, 10:01:07 PM »
Theory: The castle was Merlin's, and it is a fortress not because he needed a paranoid bolthole, but to have a shortcut to the island, either direct or opening on the same location in the Nevernever.

The spirit intended to run the castle is Alfred's counterpart

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DF Spoilers / Re: Lara Raith marriage consummation
« on: July 24, 2022, 12:59:09 AM »
I don't think we actually know if it's a prerequisite, or only enforced after the fact.  Nor do we know if Lily or Sarissa were virgins.

Is it celibacy, or virginity?

Per Maeve's taunts, Lily was sexually assaulted by at least Slate for the enjoyment of Maeve's court

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DF Spoilers / Re: Getting to the Island
« on: July 21, 2022, 11:11:20 PM »
There's a novel thought.

Assume you are right. Breaking Lea out of Arctis Tor might allow forging a new vonnection to Demonrreach somewhere else.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Getting to the Island
« on: July 21, 2022, 05:32:43 PM »
Sorry. He did the same thing in my thread, where he made random guesses out of far left field with 0 evidence, then admitted he makes baseless guesses, and claimed I was a troll for poking holes in his 'theories' when I said his posts sounded troll-like to me.

I read that too. Didn't see anything out of line there, either. My 2 cents

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DF Spoilers / Re: Getting to the Island
« on: July 21, 2022, 04:38:45 PM »
Getting the thread back on track instead of wild guessing that has 0 facts to back it up made by someone who seems hellbent on derailing every thread they post in:

It really boils down to the fact that somethings exists on the NeverNever side that Harry has been told will Kill Him Horribly.
We don't know much about Demonreach except that it's a prison for the worst of the worst. And that means the NeverNever side also has to be pretty darn dark and dangerous.

He's speculating. That's perfectly acceptable for a discussion board of a fantasy series. Long as he's not misquoting the actual text, I see no issue.

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DF Spoilers / Re: The White Council is Inside-Out
« on: July 15, 2022, 03:30:38 PM »
Yes, exactly like that -- and Roman Concrete and Stradavarian Violins.

IIRC, the violins was solved- he was making excellent violins from dense grained wood as a result of the Little Ice Age.

Martha Liberty I think is a Marie LeVeau figure- makes sense due to voodoo practice regarding zombies. "Wild" necromancy should be found in those areas, Soulfire may be needed to fix the damage and "heal" victims

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DF Spoilers / Re: The White Council is Inside-Out
« on: July 14, 2022, 06:15:00 AM »
Last one for now.

The WC let some roles "gap" to expand beyond Europe, swallowing up other organizations. It let them offer rival leaderships a Council seat.

It is possible the Warden is instead enthrallment- backlash accruing to the island nod not the warden.

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DF Spoilers / Re: The White Council is Inside-Out
« on: July 14, 2022, 05:21:38 AM »
New post.

Law: You shall not kill
Responsible enforcer: Blackstaff
Powerup: Can do whatever he wants to you as easily as the most corrupt warlock without backlash
Held by: Eb

Law: Don't shapeshift people
Responsible party: "The Shifter"
Power: Boosted, effortless shapeshifting- see Merlin's wizard duel in Sword in the Stone. Can also shapeshift you with your permission.
Held by: LtW

Law: Don't invade minds
Power: Telepathy, letting you predict others
Held by: The Merlin
Can you imagine? Dresden's intuitive flashes would drive him nuts. He's glaring at Dresden, trying to read his mind. He reaches out, and hears "Diiiiiiiiiiiiccccccckkkk...." Does Dresden know?

Fourth Law: Don't enthrall
Held by: No idea
Power: No idea

Fifth Law: No necromancy
Held by: Martha Liberty
Powerup: Soulfire, which allows true resurrection
Allows Angelic support

Sixth Law: Don't muck with time
Held by: The Warden via total mastery of Demonreach (can leave the island at its different connection points in time)
Allows access to denizens

It's why everyone was a bit iffy with it veing Dresen. He's a bit linear for timey-wimey shenanigans

Seventh Law: Don't open the Outer Gates
Held by: Rashid
Power: Can bring the power of the Outer Gstes to you.
Commands Fae allegiance

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DF Spoilers / Re: The White Council is Inside-Out
« on: July 14, 2022, 04:32:28 AM »
I posited something similar several years ago, that The Warden is actually an automatic Senior Council post.

However to do that Kemmler would have had to be a Member of the Senior Council gone rogue as the WOJ of him being the Warden before the last came after I posited this.

I did as well- my take is that 7 Laws and 7 Council members aren't coincidental. We know

The Merlin
The Warden
The Gatekeeper
The Blackstaff

Means there are three we don't know. Guessing that LtW is something like The Shapeshifter

EDIT:

Furthering this. The Senior Council selects its own members. Say they're supposed to secretly keep these roles filled. The gerontocracy is either the best candidates, or placeholders.

This would mean the value of the Council, in supernatural terms, is preparing and incubating baby Blackstaffs, Wardens, etc. I've also considered that the Wardens may have originated as backups- example, the Captain doesn't know this, but when The Warden dies, they're expected to present themselves to Demonreach. If they fail, their top lieutenant, etc.

I'd considered that the Round Table was intended to do the same for KotC.

I also would be interested in Harry undies OG Merlin's work and recollects all 7 mantles.

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DF Spoilers / Re: A Thought About The Items From Hades
« on: July 11, 2022, 01:49:29 AM »
No you've got it backwards.  Christ was born in the later years of Augustus and crucified during reign of Tiberius.  There are some debates amongst scholars and theologians as to the precise year of his birth and death, but not enough to change the Star Born timing problem here. 

Here's wikipedia (yes, I know): 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativity_of_Jesus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_of_Jesus

You didn't hear what I was saying.

If the Crucifixtion was 1AD, as some mildly religious people think, Christ is born in 33BC and the cycle fits. It's Butcher's story, there's room for him to say "People think X when it's Y"

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DF Spoilers / Re: A Thought About The Items From Hades
« on: July 10, 2022, 03:55:39 AM »
The Shroud, the Placard, the Spear, the Grail, the Sword and the Coins are not Outsider specific artifacts.  They just happen to be effective against everything -- as Dresden notes about the Spear.  He says, it was more real than everything else, it was not just a spear -- it was a spear against everything.  Nicodemus intended to use the pseudo-Shroud to start a plague when we first met him.  I think it more likely that they are all-purpose items. 

As for JC being a Star Born -- I dunno, it doesn't seem like the timing works out, every 666 years or so from 4 BC means Star Born cycles at 662AD, 1328AD and 1994AD.  Dresden (and Butcher) are GenX'ers to the core and so the timing is off by several decades, regardless of whether you use 7BC, 4BC or 1AD for the birth of JC.

As for JC being Nemfected, that seems unlikely.  JC is a person of the Trinity, so the HS and the Father would also be Nemfected. Whether you personally believe in God, clearly that being is "real" for purposes of the Dresdenverse and according to the Nicene Creed -- the Father and the Son are of the same substance:

Personally, I do not believe that Angels are contained within the Placard, Shroud, Grail or Spear.  There are Angels in the Swords, just as there are Demons in the Coins.  I don't think an imprisoned (willing or otherwise) being is required to make a potent artifact.  I'm fairly sure that no Demon resides in Marcone's butterfly knife, which he successfully used on Ethniue, it worked because Marcone has Infernal sponsorship.  (Plot hole for BG: Why didn't Harry use Soul Fire on Ethniue?).

33 BC. Crucified in 1AD. Cycle fits perfectly. Bit out of date for modern thinking, but it's been bandied.


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DF Spoilers / Re: A notion...
« on: July 05, 2022, 06:26:20 PM »
Gary is good, but I doubt he's that good.

Lara & Marcone, in particular, will have hired their own top-tier hackers, both for self-protection and to attack enemies.

Goodman Grey's shapeshifting will defeat all the CCTV monitoring, and he undoubtedly uses lots of cash (instead of cards) which reduces his "digital footprint" almost to nil.

All the big faerie powers -- including the svartalves -- have huge amounts of their power (usually the majority of it) in the Nevernever, which is utterly beyond Gary's reach.

Gary probably only learned about the Nevernever when Harry&Elaine founded the Paranet and the supernaturals began some online chatter on the topic.  But the thing about the Paranet is that the mostly-low-level supernaturals just aren't as clued-in as the big players.  Harry himself -- a mostly-trained WC wizard -- only learned of some fundamental things (like Summer&Winter's Lady/Queen/Mother "3 Queens" structure) on-screen, from Bob.

It was a signing response, IIRC- someone asked what his talent was to be in the Paranet and Butcher responded that he was an oracle. Big "OH" moment with the looming Apocalypse and his paranoia.

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