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Author Craft / Re: Why do you Write?
« on: July 10, 2012, 01:10:27 PM »
My initial love of writing began when I started reading.  I wanted to create the magic I experienced while reading a book.  I was (and still am) charmed and amazed at how well selected words can make the written page seem more real than life.

Later, I loved to write because it was a way to escape the difficulties of my life.  It was a way to travel to somewhere else, somewhere pleasant, and to surround myself with people who cared about me -- total escapism.  Also, in life I saw, and experienced, evil deeds being done without the perpetrators being punished.  In my writings, evil doers always got their due, and never got away with what they did.

Now, writing is an urge so deep, so demanding of action, that I consider it primal.  I write for the same reasons, however with life experience, I also write in order to put forth ideas, and ideals.  To stretch my imagination, and invite others to join me on the trip.  And, I write to have fun.

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I agree with the excellent responses to the OP.  When it comes to writing, I think of conflict as the incentive(s) to move the story forward.  It can be big -- an epic war, or small -- annoyance at a co-worker who always eats at their desk, and chews with their mouth open.  Conflict can be antagonistic and brutal, however, conflict can also stem from love and caring (your beloved, very kind mother hopes you will wear her wedding gown for your nuptials, but you think the gown is hideous).  The primary conflict of a story does not have to be the grandest event, the one that impacts the most people.  A war is huge, but the primary conflict in a story can be a character's need to return home to visit a loved one, making the war a secondary conflict (impeding the character's return home).

And I don't think everyone has to use the two line - or the 13 line rule.  I think readers have a little bit more patience than that, but not much.  For me, personally, having to read a long, drawn out description at the beginning (unless very well done) is boring and makes me wonder...what is this book about?  But then I'm not one of those patient readers.   :P

I agree.  As a reader, my patience depends upon the story's setting.  With contemporary settings (regardless of genre) I need to be introduced to the main character immediately, and quickly given a reason to be interested in that character.  I'm already familiar with the contemporary world, and I will not spend time reading descriptions of the mundane in the opening pages.  My patience lasts for only one, maybe two (if very well written), pages.  With settings in, or on, other worlds (for example, high fantasy or science fiction), introduce me to the main character, but also tell me about the world.  In these instances, my patience lasts for around 1,500 to 2,000 words, maybe double that if the writing is exceedingly well done.

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Author Craft / Re: Author In Progress
« on: July 07, 2012, 04:03:01 PM »
Combining three books into one sounds like an epic undertaking.  Good on you, CWG!

I haven't put a character in two places at once (not yet, anyway  -- give me time), but I have misplaced secondary and tertiary characters.  I'll put a character into a scene, and then forgot they are there.  The next time I write a scene where that character is integral, I have to go back through my writing to find where I last left them.   ::)

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Author Craft / Re: Author In Progress
« on: July 06, 2012, 11:49:31 AM »
Hi CWG!  The situation is where a series of misfortunes begin for my main character.  The events are tied together, and pile one on top the other beginning at that time, and place.  Other danger is known to be in the area, danger my MC is aware of, yet I had my MC blithely ambling around even though her knowledge of the danger meant that she should be anywhere except there.  The question, "why was she there?" had no logical answer.  I put her there because I needed her to be there.  In order to validate her presence, I had to change some rules of my urban fantasy novel's world -- from my character's abilities, to the relationship between humans and non-humans.  I had to restructure many aspects of the entire story to be consistent with the new rules.  All of that was necessary because I forgot to really look at the beginning of my story, and make sure that the main character had a logical reason for being present.  My bottom is still sore from kicking myself.   ;)

I hope your schedule improves, allowing you more time to write.   :)

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Author Craft / Re: Author In Progress
« on: July 05, 2012, 08:00:26 PM »
Greetings.  I've been away from the board for a bit.  I missed you guys.  I've been writing diligently.  Everything was coming together with my novel.  Until I realized when my story begins there is no reason for the MC to be there, and yet, there she was.  What happens to her at that time, at that location, is the catalyst for the rest of what happens in the story.   :o

This made me want to fall to my knees, rip my clothes, and shout Macbeth quotations from my front porch at passing strangers.  Instead, I've spent the past few weeks thinking of a solution, and then re-working the rest of the story to fit with the necessary change.

Everything is all better, thanks to my love of writing, perseverance, and a few glasses bottles of merlot.

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Author Craft / Re: Are Readers Growing Tired of New Urban Fantasy?
« on: June 03, 2012, 01:29:50 PM »
I see someone has fallen prey to the "spiders are cute and fluffy and good for you and nice-smelling" propaganda.

And, they smell good, too?  Awe-some!   ;)

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Author Craft / Re: First Person vs. Third Person
« on: June 01, 2012, 10:41:26 AM »
Some people think First is too easy but I don't think so...with everything it has it's strengths and weaknesses.

I used to think first person is easy, until I began writing fiction in the first person.  It can be difficult for me, as the author, to know everything about every character, and situation, yet limit my writing to only what the POV character knows and experiences.  Yet, still keep the story interesting, and dynamic.

There is value to, and difficulty involved with, every narrative perspective.

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Author Craft / Re: Are Readers Growing Tired of New Urban Fantasy?
« on: May 31, 2012, 10:16:08 PM »
Because spiders are evil. I don't care what good they inadvertently do by feeding themselves; they are eight-eyed, eight-legged emissaries of Satan who shoot silk out of their asses. You can't tell me that's right.

Aaah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!  ... "eight-legged emissaries of Satan" ... Bwa-ha-ha!  Whoa!  That was just wonderful.   :D

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Calendar Event Discussion / Re: Where would YOU like Jim to appear?
« on: May 31, 2012, 08:50:00 PM »
Yeah, but with some celebrities - you get one look at them and that's it.
All your intelligence drains out your ears leaving you - A Mindless Drooling FemFan. ::)

Oh, ouch.  Been there, done that -- still get embarrassed by the memories.  Just in case I might not be experiencing enough mortification in life, I have been known to change into A Mindless Drooling, Babbling, FemFan.  Oh, my goodness.   :-[

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Author Craft / Re: First Person vs. Third Person
« on: May 31, 2012, 07:12:04 PM »
... and I'm not clear on what third person omniscient is.  How is it different from plain ole third person?  Just curious.

My understanding is that third person omniscient is a narrator that literally knows everything about the novel's world (past, present, and future), plot(s), as well as each character's inner thoughts and motivations.  Every single thing.  As opposed to third person limited, where the narrator of a novel has some sort of limit to their knowledge put in place by the author.  A third person limited narrator might not know, or have access to, anymore details than the main character.

edited: to change "may" to "might."  Why?  *sigh*  Because my inner editor keeps bugging me ...

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Author Craft / Re: First Person vs. Third Person
« on: May 31, 2012, 12:01:25 PM »
As a reader, I prefer UF in the first person.  I enjoy the perspective of being in the MC's head.  UF uses so many contemporary references, that I don't immediately need an A to Z, full and complete, explanation of the novel's world.  I like it when the UF novel's reality comes to light through the MC's interaction with their world, rather than a lot of exposition about the rules and characters of the novel's world.  I don't remember an UF novel I've read that is in the third person.  Either I've never read one, or I read it, and forgot about it.

I prefer third person, or switching between third and first POV, in my other favorite book genres -- fantasy, high fantasy, and science fiction.  Third person provides a chance at a detailed explanation of the unfamiliar worlds of novels in those genres.  Without a third person perspective, or a MC that talks to themselves way too much, I'd be initially lost when beginning to read fantasy, high fantasy, and science fiction.

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Author Craft / Re: Better Word Processor Options?
« on: May 28, 2012, 12:45:56 PM »
Trying out the beta of Scriveners. I'm a little uncomfortable with it right now. The walk-through wasn't very helpful and it was a bit more complex than I'd expected. It's not too terribly difficult but a bit more trouble than I, as a lazy drunk, have the time to invest in figuring out atm.
Yeah, I hear you.  Scrivener is like a full orchestra, and I only know how to play the kazoo.  I went through the interactive tutorial to get a grasp of the basics.  I regularly use only about 10% of Scrivener's features.  Still, that 10% serves me well.  Being able to consolidate every document, web page, and image related to my novel in one location, and the cork board feature, are the main things that sold me on the program.

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Thank you Cenwolfgirl, and congrats for finishing your short story!   :)

You wrote a story, from beginning to end.  Regardless of the length of the story, I think that is huge.  Again, congrats!

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Author Craft / Re: Deciding on a Story?
« on: May 27, 2012, 01:45:11 PM »
My issue is, I'm worried about two things:

1. There's not enough back story - Since we're on the JB boards, I'll use the Dresden Files as an example. My book is essentially JB writing his first Harry Dresden novel at the point where
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2. The main character isn't conflicted or complex enough. Me being a first time writer, I'm not exactly sure how complex or conflicted the main character should be? He's essentially just an average joe at the moment. For the most part he's satisfied with his life.
I think answering #2 will fulfill #1.  I love characters that are "average joes" who have to face fantastical, and dire, situations.  I immediately relate to "average joes" on some level.  Using Dresden as an example, he is a powerful wizard, facing incredible obstacles.  But, he has to concern himself with the mundane -- like rent, and earning money for food.  Touches like how Harry assesses his appearance makes him easy for me to connect with.  Your character can be satisfied with his life -- for a few pages.  Then, kick him out of his comfort zone with problems.  I think characters who are scrabbling to get to, or back to, their perceived comfort zones are usually engrossing.  I think this helps in making them interesting.  Then, readers also get to see the impact the struggles have on the character.

I think this leads to an answer for #1.  Readers will learn about your character's back story as they see how he addresses these problems.  One's past heavily influences how one reacts to problems.  Even if your character hasn't dealt with any major problems in the past can be used to generate interest in, and empathy for, him.  The character will have to change, or be overwhelmed in facing the newly surfaced problems.

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Author Craft / Re: Better Word Processor Options?
« on: May 27, 2012, 12:57:49 PM »
I'm using Scrivener for Windows since November, 2011.  I first used the trial version, which (at least in November, 2011) was a beta version for Windows.  There were some bugs.  However, I haven't had problems with the Windows version I purchased, which is more recent than the trial version.  The Scrivener folks are good about responding to questions posted in their forum, and addressing any issues.

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