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DF Reference Collection / Re: [CD spoilers] Cowl = Simon reference thread
« on: November 29, 2012, 11:19:24 PM »
He sends the Outsider influenced Ghouls into the Wraith Deeps in White Night.
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DF Reference Collection / Re: [CD spoilers] Cowl = Simon reference thread
« on: November 29, 2012, 10:03:50 PM »Cowl = Simon is probably the single most sane, rational, and well-supported theory I've seen on these boards. Thanks for laying out the evidence.
Duck's Molly=Mab theory definitely picked up a lot of traction though.
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DF Reference Collection / Re: [CD spoilers] Cowl = Simon reference thread
« on: November 29, 2012, 09:15:48 PM »
Other speculation about the Deathcurse, Archangel was a wizard stronghold with lots of wizards other than Simon there. All of the Death Curses of those wizards could have destroyed a large bulk of the vampires and the WC could mistakenly be reading it as mostly Simon's Deathcurse.
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DF Reference Collection / Re: Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
« on: November 29, 2012, 07:09:09 PM »We don't know whether they could sense it though.
Mab could sense it in her Daughter and both of them are much much much younger than God and His Angels. God would be able to sense it in His sons and daughters, and Uriel/other Archangels would be able to sense it in his/her siblings. Hell Harry noticed it in Sith and he knew him for all of a month. There is no way that God or the Archangels could be corrupted because as I said if they were the war would be over, and because they cannot be infected neither can the lower ranking angels.
As for vanillas I am absolutely certain that they could. If not Rashid or Mother Summer would have told him that he could trust them. I also think that Murphy's behavior was very suspect in Cold Days.
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DF Reference Collection / Re: Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
« on: November 29, 2012, 06:53:10 PM »The Outsiders are not their fight though. The Swords couldn't even be raised in the fight coming against Nemesis. It is not of our existence, so I don't think that it is outside the realm of possibility to infect one of them.
Also, the angels can only keep them safe as long as they stay out of the action. Once they start making choices then their guard can't do much. Daniel, for one, strikes me as a very active boy that has done some strange things.
The thing with this is that if they were infected they would be able to end the war in a second. If any of the Archangels or God were infected they would just go smash the Outer Gates. As for lesser Angels, God and the Archangels would be able to sense it in them and heal them of it instantly.
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DF Reference Collection / Re: Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
« on: November 29, 2012, 06:47:18 PM »
I think so. Someone with better knowledge of the WOJ (Serack/CuriousFan) would know better but iirc to be starborn you had to be a wizard/witch and be born at a certain time of year and in a specific year. Harry and Elaine both fit into these qualifications.
As for it granting immunity, I believe it does otherwise Harry would've been infected when he was 16 and if Justin was infected he wouldn't have needed to enthrall them, just infect them. Also the Outsiders that Harry has met have attempted to recruit him, not kidnap and infect him. That being said I do believe that Elaine may be working for the other side. If they attempted to recruit Harry logically they would try to recruit her as well. Also the amount of trust that both the Gatekeeper and Mab place in Harry allows them to be fairly positive in his allegiance and from before they really knew him as well.
Others who are definitely not infected: Mother Summer and Winter, same reasoning as Mab and Gatekeeper, if they were infected they would have enough power to destroy the gate. Also Titania, for similar reasons as if she were infected she would have full blown attacked Winter and at the very least weakened Mab giving the Outsiders their opportunity to break through the gates.
Angels, Archangels and God aren't because of the above reasons. Sanya for being a KotC. Drakkul, Ferro, and Odin. Really anyone with a payscale big enough to go head to head with Mab and be an actual threat to her.
Edit: Forgot the scene with Maeve talking about taking Justine to get to Lara. Although it could just be a front trying to get Harry, Mab and crew to trust Lara.
As for it granting immunity, I believe it does otherwise Harry would've been infected when he was 16 and if Justin was infected he wouldn't have needed to enthrall them, just infect them. Also the Outsiders that Harry has met have attempted to recruit him, not kidnap and infect him. That being said I do believe that Elaine may be working for the other side. If they attempted to recruit Harry logically they would try to recruit her as well. Also the amount of trust that both the Gatekeeper and Mab place in Harry allows them to be fairly positive in his allegiance and from before they really knew him as well.
Others who are definitely not infected: Mother Summer and Winter, same reasoning as Mab and Gatekeeper, if they were infected they would have enough power to destroy the gate. Also Titania, for similar reasons as if she were infected she would have full blown attacked Winter and at the very least weakened Mab giving the Outsiders their opportunity to break through the gates.
Angels, Archangels and God aren't because of the above reasons. Sanya for being a KotC. Drakkul, Ferro, and Odin. Really anyone with a payscale big enough to go head to head with Mab and be an actual threat to her.
Edit: Forgot the scene with Maeve talking about taking Justine to get to Lara. Although it could just be a front trying to get Harry, Mab and crew to trust Lara.
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