Thanks for the link. It's helped a lot.

I have been rereading the books lately, and I realized that I just don't feel like the rules as written represent the danger of Thaumaturgy as its presented in the books. I mean I realize Dresden is supposed to be more of a brawler type, but even Bob (who has been working with wizards for over 1k years or so) makes it pretty clear that more powerful rituals have a real risk of causing harm.

The problem I have is once you get your bonus up +5 rituals never go wrong for the caster unless they get interrupted. I was thinking that maybe a way to counter this would be to introduce penalty to each roll based off the total complexity of the ritual being attempted. For example -1 per 10 or 5 points of complexity. 

I was also thinking that maybe it would mean that I would have to set a base time per roll, and allow people to speed it up at increased risk or slow it down for less risk. Also I was thinking that declarations could now be used not only to meet complexity higher than Lore + modifiers rating, but also to help reduce the penalty some. (the -1 per 5 makes more sense to me if I add this stuff in)

For example under this system when Harry wanted to use Little Chicago to search for black magic Little Chicago was used to do something more complex than his lore skill would allow and his purification efforts were done to reduce the penalty to each roll.

I was also thinking this would set the stage for me figuring out rules to build more concrete rules for permanent props used to boost ritual magic. The idea being to give mechanics for things like Little Chicago, Dresden's ever improving quality on his floor ring, and such beyond just being a declaration.
(this is still very much a work in progress and I am not sure how I would handle it but I was thinking it would be that permanent props could serve to help meet complexity totals for appropriate spells ie you would have your lore, focus items, + props to determine base number before you start making declarations)

This all very much in flux but I know we have some great minds on this board so I figured I would ask for peoples thoughts on it.

We're 15  bucks spent 

Hmm I am liking the lawbreaker stunts as the mechanic for representing the draw and twisting effect of dark magic less and less. I think for now I will tell my player interested in playing an accidental law breaker to just represent it in an aspect and call it good.

 thanks for the help

Yeah I realized I may be asking the wrong question here. I am starting to think the right question is can no caster talent mortals outside of the knights be imbued with Seelie or Unseelie magic?

The knights seem to be a special case as they have their own "mantle of power" they gain when they take up the role that seems to have a lot of power wrapped up in it. So it seems to me that it would take a huge investment from ether court to imbue a normal mortal with Fairy Magic.

Can anyone think of examples in the books that would support a total non practitioner getting any sort of powers imbued into them? The closest I can think of is from changes

So maybe to wield Fairy Magic you must be some sort of practitioner no matter how small and thus are subject to the laws if not a changeling, Knight, or Fairy.

Thoughts?

Thanks guys I think the game terms I was looking for are
Thrall

Rough Thrall

Fine Thrall


I was wondering if anyone had done the mechanics of creating the three types via Ritual magic and white vamp antics.

Reflexive Shield: I like this one too, but it makes me nervous. Was hoping that someone who had used it would say it was fine.

I really like this one and I think it helps fill in a missing gap from the novels well. A friend of mine may be running a one shot soon I will see if I can play test it for you and see if we notice any problems.