I would also like to add that Harry as the Winter Knight amplifying his own power plus the sponsored soulfire has to be close to the same power as that of the senior council.   I doubt that many off the senior council would be much of a match for Harry!

i find that unlikely.. maybe i'm wrong (i've just started my 2nd read through of the series, and i'm only beginning Summer Knight now) but the Knight Mantle, while giving a significant boost, doesn't make harry the equal of the Senior council. maybe he's in the top 20 or so world wide in sheer power, but as we've seen proven time and again, brute strength doesn't mean automatic victory. and in the cunning and experience department, the senior council has collectively got hundreds of years on harry.


i didn't read this entire topic so maybe i missed this.. but has anyone expressed thoughts on how harry being in the winter court will effect his Za Lord Guards power. seems like getting Winter sponsorship is gonna swell their magical muscles alittle.. anyone else expect these initially completely irrelevant and puny faeries to end up as moderately heavy hitters in dresden's arsenal?

The Council totally took out the Reds in Changes.  They did it by a combination of sending in a bunch of their best people dressed in grey, and denying Harry overt help so that he would turn to Mab for power, which she wants to give him and not any of the rest of them.  I don't for an instant believe that either Chandler's letter or Eb's report of illness among the Council are proven true; they work for me as motivations for Harry.

that's .. interesting, I don't think the WC to be incompetent, but i wouldn't have thought to give them that much credit. How many people could really have known that Mab was on such good terms with harry, and had been pushing for him to become her Knight? I think there are still too many doubters in Harry on the council for that idea to have made it past "Those powers will finally turn him evil. not going to put our hopes of the RC's destruction in those hands"

you think the grey council is just a puppet organization for the WC do get things done? (sorta like.. abunch of blackstaffs?) I thought that alot of the Grey council members weren't even on the WC..


and biggs, you have a good point, i forgot that was the merlin's strong suit. but still, I think if the council could have so easily annihilated the entire red court so completely as at the end of changes, at literally any time they had wanted, they wouldn't have weathered an entire war with the RC before leaving if up to Harry to stumble his way into doing the task. Whether the WC was going to win the war or not, no one can say there weren't heavy losses among the wizards, and those losses would have continued to pile up.


Any way it's looked at, I'm excited to see the waves caused from the sudden absence of the entire RC, that certainly is a worldwide Change.