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DFRPG / Re: +0 Catch for WCVs?
« on: May 01, 2011, 01:40:05 AM »
Blast, I thought my victory was secure! Also, I apologize in advance for my love of arguing.
On "Access:"
"White Court vampires suffer injury from True expressions of pure, selfless emotions .... This effect includes physical objects related to that emotional energy (some White Court vampires have suffered grave injury from handling a wedding ring or a rose exchanged between lovers)." (OW90-91)
Now, I'm aware of that "some" in there, and how narrow a field it might circumscribe. But you would need to define "wedding ring" nearly out of existence to make it as rare as one of THE nails on THE Cross. For a +0 to stick, only "one or two people in the entire world" even have access to the Catch. Those are some very special wedding rings.
If it sounds like I'm being too literal on the "one or two people" thing, the comparative example in the book is a Sword of the Cross. The next step down, a +1 Catch, is accessible only to "a very rare class of people" -- as rare as True Magic. Moreover, the Raith Catch isn't limited to wedding rings: There are roses in there too, and framed pictures, and jewelry, and just about anything else exchanged by people in True Love (a--wait for it--"very rare class of people"), as well as expressions of True Love, whatever that means. ("Lord Raith, never bring a gun to... A POETRY FIGHT!")
Extrapolating to fear/True Courage: Medals and many other relics of war would have to count for True Courage vs Malvora, or I just don't understand the concept of True Courage. Raiding a museum or military family's suburban home, while ghoulish and deplorable and probably a lot of fun to roleplay, remains just a touch easier than pilfering Esperaccius from a Knight of the Cross.
As for weaponizing these trinkets, well, most of them are made of metal, and metallic things make excellent weapons. Sure, I agree that melting a wedding ring into a bullet would probably kill the love (though it evidently doesn't hurt the hereditariness of silver), so just propel it with magic. This isn't rocket science (...but it could be!) Anyway, I grant that roses might take some doing (I wonder if True Love dissolves in liquid nitrogen...), but, where there's a wizard, there's a way.
On "Knowledge:"
The "which House are you" WCV stranger is hardly the norm. It's not like the White Court hides who they are; they're nobility. They're protected by the Accords. The one's we've met go by their House surnames. Sure, if you meet one in an alley in a strange city, you might not know. But an established House of the White Court is not going to be incognito, because they're too busy being schemers and politickers nonpareil. Just watch whether their dinner is sighing, screaming, seething or sobbing, and you're set. This isn't necessarily easy, or it would be a +2. But neither does it compare with requiring intimate knowledge of the unique circumstances and two-millenia backstory of an unprecedented, secretive and awesomely powerful semi-demigod.
On "Access:"
"White Court vampires suffer injury from True expressions of pure, selfless emotions .... This effect includes physical objects related to that emotional energy (some White Court vampires have suffered grave injury from handling a wedding ring or a rose exchanged between lovers)." (OW90-91)
Now, I'm aware of that "some" in there, and how narrow a field it might circumscribe. But you would need to define "wedding ring" nearly out of existence to make it as rare as one of THE nails on THE Cross. For a +0 to stick, only "one or two people in the entire world" even have access to the Catch. Those are some very special wedding rings.
If it sounds like I'm being too literal on the "one or two people" thing, the comparative example in the book is a Sword of the Cross. The next step down, a +1 Catch, is accessible only to "a very rare class of people" -- as rare as True Magic. Moreover, the Raith Catch isn't limited to wedding rings: There are roses in there too, and framed pictures, and jewelry, and just about anything else exchanged by people in True Love (a--wait for it--"very rare class of people"), as well as expressions of True Love, whatever that means. ("Lord Raith, never bring a gun to... A POETRY FIGHT!")
Extrapolating to fear/True Courage: Medals and many other relics of war would have to count for True Courage vs Malvora, or I just don't understand the concept of True Courage. Raiding a museum or military family's suburban home, while ghoulish and deplorable and probably a lot of fun to roleplay, remains just a touch easier than pilfering Esperaccius from a Knight of the Cross.
As for weaponizing these trinkets, well, most of them are made of metal, and metallic things make excellent weapons. Sure, I agree that melting a wedding ring into a bullet would probably kill the love (though it evidently doesn't hurt the hereditariness of silver), so just propel it with magic. This isn't rocket science (...but it could be!) Anyway, I grant that roses might take some doing (I wonder if True Love dissolves in liquid nitrogen...), but, where there's a wizard, there's a way.
On "Knowledge:"
The "which House are you" WCV stranger is hardly the norm. It's not like the White Court hides who they are; they're nobility. They're protected by the Accords. The one's we've met go by their House surnames. Sure, if you meet one in an alley in a strange city, you might not know. But an established House of the White Court is not going to be incognito, because they're too busy being schemers and politickers nonpareil. Just watch whether their dinner is sighing, screaming, seething or sobbing, and you're set. This isn't necessarily easy, or it would be a +2. But neither does it compare with requiring intimate knowledge of the unique circumstances and two-millenia backstory of an unprecedented, secretive and awesomely powerful semi-demigod.